OotS 406

[Simm]

The question I have is what abilities Miko has that let's her put a 14th level aristocrat down in one hit? I mean we're talking about an a person with 14 levels at d8 per level no max dice at first level, probably a -1 con modifier due to age and not having a great constitution to begin with so an average of 59 (average of 14d8-14) hit points and she can smite evil against him so how did she deal 69 damage (enough to put him down to -10) in one hit.

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

For the record I would not remove her paladin status. She honestly, though unreasonably, believes he is evil and I would not make take away powers over a paladin striking against what it thought was evil.

This gets back to the "does intention matter in alignment" argument. She just murdered a non-evil person in cold blood. She can determine, using a supernatural ability, that he is not evil. She is also failing to respect legitimate authority.

Also she's come completely unhinged, and I think that pretty much means that she's unable to stay on the moral razor's edge that paladins are supposed to balance on.

Anyway, I hope Belkar gets to kill her soon. Her entire purpose as a plot device is that you want to see her die, but if you stand around admiring an ice cream cone too long it melts. Likewise, if Miko goes without dying for too long, you start to lose interest in watching it happen.

Also, what the hell does she think is going to happen...that they're not going to raise Shojo from the dead with a 5th level spell? And shouldn't a 12th level Aristocrat have enough HP to survive more than one attack with a bastard sword?

 

[BullMarkOne]

Won't somebody please think of poor Mr. Scruffy?

Heh, Mr. Scruffy is a cat, he'll do alright. Heck, mebbe Belkar'll adopt him.

 

[BullMarkOne]

The question I have is what abilities Miko has that let's her put a 14th level aristocrat down in one hit? I mean we're talking about an a person with 14 levels at d8 per level no max dice at first level, probably a -1 con modifier due to age and not having a great constitution to begin with so an average of 59 (average of 14d8-14) hit points and she can smite evil against him so how did she deal 69 damage (enough to put him down to -10) in one hit.

Multiple natural 20's in a row?
Artistic License?

 

[Andor]

Miko is totally an ex-paladin now. She slew her boss in a mad fit, without even trying to detect if he was evil.

I mean honestly even Hinjo should be looking skancewise at the value of an oath designed to avoid conflict amongst a mostly dead group of adventurers vs the entire world and all the gods. Properly it shouldn't even apply once the adventurers are dead.

 

[Gez]

The question I have is what abilities Miko has that let's her put a 14th level aristocrat down in one hit? I mean we're talking about an a person with 14 levels at d8 per level no max dice at first level, probably a -1 con modifier due to age and not having a great constitution to begin with so an average of 59 (average of 14d8-14) hit points and she can smite evil against him so how did she deal 69 damage (enough to put him down to -10) in one hit.

You underestimate age penalties to Constitution. Let say he started with 10. If he's as old as he looks, that puts him at a whooping 4 Con score now, so a -3 modifier, giving him a grand total of 21 hit points.

Furthermore, you can always argue, since Shojo was defenseless and sitting on the throne and unprepared to the attack, that the DM let her make a coup de grâce.

(Oh, and now's the time for her to be killed by Belkar.)

 

[iwatt]

Multiple natural 20's in a row?
Artistic License?

Massive damage save?

Using the Iron Hereos Aristocrat?

The guy is really old (average con to start and a -3 from age)? That would give him 14d8-3. That would give him 14-21 hps

 

[TwinBahamut]

Even worse for Miko's case in the fallen/not-fallen debate, she wasn't merely kiling Lord Shojo out of a feeling of duty or because she was doing good. I think it was pretty clear that she was heavily motivated byher own anger and feeling of betrayal.

So, is kiling a defenseless old man, who is the leader of a city who she has sworn loyalty to, out of revenge and anger, anything close to Paladin behavior? I don't think she even gets the "I did it for the greater good" argument on her behalf.

 

[ruleslawyer]

Who says Shojo's dead? He looks wounded and shocked to me in that last panel, but there's nothing to say he's kicked it.

 

[Ozmar]

Finally, though the quoted Paladin's code says nothing about attacking unarmed people who are no physical threat, it's tough to argue that that could be considered "honorable" and I personally would tell a Paladin player that he'd been dishonorable in attacking Shojo in this case. Attacking unarmed old people with no magical powers just isn't my idea of the honorable knight in shining armor that the Paladin is supposed to represent.

Man, you guys are tough! I say, "Go Miko!" Its not easy being a LG Paladin Villain. And "Go Rich" for the complex and consistent character portrayal that is driving this thoroughly enjoyable and detailed plot.

I never thought I'd be wishing the weekend was over. Can't wait till Monday.

Ozmar the Entertained