OotS 448

Storm Raven said:
That's not that big a deal, because, you know, the OotS, being PCs and all, can gain levels.

I didn't get the impression that they had the time, I thought this was a "win this battle or the BBEG rules the world" battle.

I'm vaguing on this, but wasn't part of the prophecy that Xykon would go to Girard's Gate? Why would he need to do that unless he lost this gate somehow? How could he possibly lose this gate without some sort of GM intervention when there's no one within the entire city that could even come close to taking him out?

Maybe Miko will grapple him long enough for the OOTS to take him out. NPC vs NPC.
Maybe the SG will have put some traps in the throne room, or misled everyone about the location of the gate. Again, that's something the PC's won't be involved in.
Maybe something will happen to the phylactery. Could be PC's involved here, but it would be by accident.
Maybe Xykon will take over this gate but it will take him years to master its power so that the OOTS can level up. Ugh.

I'm sure Rich has thought of something, I hope it's good.
 

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Matchstick said:
I didn't get the impression that they had the time, I thought this was a "win this battle or the BBEG rules the world" battle.

I'm vaguing on this, but wasn't part of the prophecy that Xykon would go to Girard's Gate? Why would he need to do that unless he lost this gate somehow? How could he possibly lose this gate without some sort of GM intervention when there's no one within the entire city that could even come close to taking him out?

I think it has been made pretty clear that Xykon needs to deal with more than one gate in order for his plans to work - Roy's question to the oracle assumed that Xykon would be trying to move on more than one gate. Besides we likely have hundreds of strips left in the OotS, so I think there will be lots of stuff going on, and most of it will take place after Azure city falls.
 

I am anticipating the next strip will be where the OotS team scrambles to make a desperate attempt to stop Xykon that stops at a cliffhanger...then a Balor will arrive to try to seize the gate for himself in the following strip.
 

Matchstick said:
I'm vaguing on this, but wasn't part of the prophecy that Xykon would go to Girard's Gate?
IIRC, the prophecy was only that he'd be closer to Girard's Gate than to the other one. I don't remeber for sure, though, and the page isn't working for me right now.

But of course, the party could simply break the throne without hurting Xykon.
 

Roy specifically asked the question about two gates, one of which was Girard's; when the oracle tried to get him to make the question vaguer, so that he could explain that Xykon was moving on Azure City, Roy emphatically refused to change the question. Hijinks ensued. At least, that's how I remember it.

Daniel
 

Oh, and Moderator's Notes

This whole discussion about condescension? Stop it. Discuss the strip, sure, but do so respecting the opinions of people whose interpretations disagree with yours. If that's not working for you, consider starting a thread about the strip on a messageboard where respect isn't mandatory.

Daniel
 


Plane Sailing said:
The next OOTS strip is up, people might be surprised at direction that the strip takes. I think it is an excellent one!

I'm surprised, and it is an excellent one, but I'm not sure that its going to go in the direction people think it is.

In any event, it doesn't redeem #448.
 

Kahuna Burger said:
(If moving an activated rune to effect more victims isn't an offensive use of the spell, what would be?)

Setting the symbol to trigger and effect only the people you hit with it. This is explicitly listed in the RAW.

As I've mentioned before: Introducing a house rule that symbol spells can't be moved around is an interesting house rule, but since it eliminates the ability to use the symbol spells to guard spellbooks or luggage, it clearly isn't the intention of the designers. And any attempt to interpret "offensive" as "moving" is not only a bad intepretation of the rules, it's a bad use of the English language.
 

JustinA said:
As I've mentioned before: Introducing a house rule that symbol spells can't be moved around is an interesting house rule, but since it eliminates the ability to use the symbol spells to guard spellbooks or luggage, it clearly isn't the intention of the designers. And any attempt to interpret "offensive" as "moving" is not only a bad intepretation of the rules, it's a bad use of the English language.

Well, any attempt to claim that I said word "offensive" was a synonym of "moving" is a blatant misstatement of what I said. I did not interpret "offensive" to mean "moving".

Restating what I did say:

1) The rules are very poorly worded. The very fact that we are arguing over the intent of the rules and the meaning of the word offensive is sufficient proof of that. The rules are very vague.

2) I believe that the intent of the designers of the spell was that it be used to make traps. This is the reasoning behind the poorly worded clause supposedly elimenating offensive uses of the spell. A trap is defensive. It is protective. The reason the 'no offensive' uses clause is such a poor idea is it creates questions like, "How does a spell know if it is being used in an offensive way? Is the spell sentient, and it just peversely refuses to use itself if in its opinion your use is offensive." It leaves the question of whether a usage of the spell is offensive or not up to the DM. Worse yet, whether something is offensive or not is circumstantial. If a player casts a symbol in his spellbook, at the time of the casting the symbol is defensive in nature. But if in combat, the player then opens his spell book and shows the symbol to his enemy, the spell is now offensive in nature.

3) The word offensive that people are arguing over should be one with a very clear meaning. The offensive clause literally means, "This spell cannot be employed as a weapon." Offensive here contrasts with ideas like protective and defensive. Unfortunately, the clear meaning of the word is in context shear nonsense, sense as I said before, this is a weaponized spell already. All uses of it are somewhat offensive in nature. It can never be a purely protective spell because it is proactive in nature, especially in the 'when viewed' mode.

4) Taking that altogether, I suggested that if the intent of the spell is for it to be used as a trap, reworking the spell so that it only worked if the surface it was cast on was not moved not only better achieved the design intent of the spell, but made the spell significantly easier to understand (so that a player understood before using the spell how the DM would most likely rule) and easier to arbitrate (so that the DM would need to use less judgement to rule consistantly). I did not however claim that this is how the current wording of the spell works.

What the current wording of the spell means is anyone's guess.
 

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