OotS 449

[Storyteller01]

So... what happened to the emporer when our now fallen paladin killed him?

 

[Kahuna Burger]

Or as General Patton so eloquently put it...

"Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

Patton was Good? Here I thought he was your basic Lawful Neutral who was on "our" side.

 

[Pbartender]

Patton was Good? Here I thought he was your basic Lawful Neutral who was on "our" side.

Who said he was good? I'd call him Lawful Practical.

I was only relating the General's quote to the previous poster's LE/CG dialogueas a famous rephrasing of the sentiment. I just don't think the idea of "be willing to die for your beliefs, but don't unless you must" is endemic to Chaotic Good.

 

[darious777]

Ghost-martyr of the Sapphire Guard, heh? Cool Prestige class.

And that's some of the stiffest requirements for entering a prestige class I've seen.

"Req: +5 BAB, Paladin Class, Must die defending Azure City".

/M

Actually... if I read that right, it may be "Must die in throne room of Azure City."

Rich got the feel of "paladiness" perfect. Devotion to a righteous cause so strong that even death can not sever it. And again... with stick figures.

Mechanics, schematics... this is a good story.

 

[Kahuna Burger]

Who said he was good? I'd call him Lawful Practical.

I was only relating the General's quote to the previous poster's LE/CG dialogueas a famous rephrasing of the sentiment. I just don't think the idea of "be willing to die for your beliefs, but don't unless you must" is endemic to Chaotic Good.

So I was right when I privately wondered if the conversation had gone completely from "is self sacrifice Good and/or Lawful?" to "is self sacrifice cool or for chumps?"...

(I'll go LP for Patton but it would be Lawful Patriotic.)

 

[darious777]

So... what happened to the emporer when our now fallen paladin killed him?

He wasn't a paladin. "Only the honor of a paladin" et. al.

I consider this scene to be an exposition scene explained to the PCs after the fact, but for dramatic pacing we get to watch it as it happens.

Unless of course the GM is actually making the die rolls for the combat between the two NPCs, while the PCs sit and wait. Now THAT is bad form, old boy.

 

[Pbartender]

So I was right when I privately wondered if the conversation had gone completely from "is self sacrifice Good and/or Lawful?" to "is self sacrifice cool or for chumps?"...

Mostly, yes...

Personally, I think the cool/chump issue is entirely dependent on what is accomplished in the end by the self sacrifice.

(I'll go LP for Patton but it would be Lawful Patriotic.)

Good call.

 

[Thunderfoot]

Can liches' wet themselves? I think Xykon just did...

 

[Kahuna Burger]

And again... with stick figures.

You know, not to jump on you specificly but people keep saying things like this - the thing is, a less detailed and lifelike art style does not actually hamper any of the things folks keep going "and he does it with stick figures!" about. When used propperly, less detail to the face = more readily read and understood expressions. People who are represented rather than rendered give us more mental room to fill in the blanks and treat them as mental placeholder for our imagined characters and can have more emotional impact than if you tried to carefully render a perfect human image.

It's a good comic technique, not something to overcome, and its working for him, not against him.

 

[frankthedm]

Most likely, it is right there spelled out in their oath of induction. Only most surely thought "I will guard the Sapphire Throne with my blood, heart, and soul until the breaking of the world or the Gods release from this burden" as figurative rather than literal.

That is a mistake people make in modern times and a mistake some players make in RPGs. In a fantasy world an oath that involves one's soul should be take literally.