OotS 464

Cheiromancer said:
What's the plane just law-wards of Mount Celestia? Arcadia? She might go there.

(Spits) Any thing better than one of the Nine Hells (Lawful Evil) is vastly more than she deserves.

While I am not done voiding myself on her grave yet (you know, she might come back as a death knight), there are two more gates to go. I bet the next gate is also destroyed and that it all comes down to the final gate.

Worlds with people in them don't deserve to survive.
 

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JustKim said:
I didn't hate Miko all that much. I remember when she was introduced, we (the readers) were frustrated because the story was taking a tangent and it felt like there was a railroading DM using Miko to lead the party by the nose. I didn't like the situation either, but I thought Miko was an interesting character.

It was disappointing that while Miko's character was being explored, Rich was (IMHO) doing what he often does, reading the boards and adjusting his writing in reaction, making her ever more unlikable. So I thought okay, I'm not supposed to like Miko. Then Roy gets the line to call her a bitch and it's pure fanservice. This is the word fans have been using to describe Miko and it was ugly enough there- I don't want to get all into double standards, but when Nale betrays the Order he's evil and it's shocking. When Miko wrangles the Order and acts dogmatically she's a bitch.

When Roy said it, it was disappointing. Rich just disappoints me sometimes.

I didn't see that at all. The boards make a lot of assumptions and judgments about Rich's characters, and make tons of predictions regarding the storyline, and yet he's been consistently surprising. If anything, especially in Miko's case, the character has been absolutely consistent. During no period of the strip did Miko's character deviate from what she was in the very beginning of the comic strip.

Also, your comment comparing Nale to Miko is totally off base, and almost sounds a tinge like you're accusing Rich, or others, of being slightly sexist, which is really stretching it (I could be wrong in my assumption about your comment as well, though). At no point in the strip has Nale EVER been a respected or even pitied individual. He's an out-and-out villain that brutally murders people. His "betrayal" was so obvious to any reader as well. I wasn't shocked when I saw it, and I didn't frequent the boards there at the time either. If people are entertained or enjoy Nale, it's only because he's a "funny" character and we enjoy watching him consistently lose in humiliating defeats. Heck, even his evil lover/sidekick Sabine not only gets beaten up, but practically mutilated (Roy wasn't very kind about some of those "earrings" she had on). In essense, the diabolical duo constantly gets beaten down. Nale gets no love in OotS beyond that he's an entertaining, reoccurring mook for the main PC's to thoroughly wax. Other than that, he has no real character traits to analyze. The dude is a simp through and through. We just don't discuss him that much because there isn't anything to discuss. He's a loser that needs to get beaten up. Even Elan gets a piece.

Miko, on the other hand, was a very serious character. She was also depicted as highly talented, motivated, and capable. She defeated the entire Order single-handedly. Unfortunately, she also had an issue with pride that many people did not like. To use the cliche, with great power comes great responsibility, and in her case she had great power, but she eventually chose to abuse it. She was, indeed, a 'bitch'. But really, that's the only crime she's ever been accused of, and the only crime she ever committed (until she finally snapped and became delusional). The attention was focused on her because she, unlike Nale, was an exceptional person.

Nale, on the other hand, is incompetent, motivated only when the odds are in his favor, and is the butt of the joke. I had low expectations for Nale the minute I saw his silly goatee and his silly party mirroring the OotS. It was Bizarro from the start.
He'll get his payback, I believe, and it'll probably be worse and far less sympathetic and understanding than for Miko.
 

I know that Miko is hardly the most liked OotS character, but I doubt she's going to end up in a Fiendish Plane just because people hate her. Because as much of a total b**** as she's been since her introduction, she's only commited ONE Evil act in her whole career, and that was due to poor judgment and holier-then-thou arrogance, not actual malice.

In game terms, while she lost her Paladin levels, her alignment didn't really shift to Lawful Evil, so she's not going to get drawn to one of the Evil planes.

...Whether you like it or not.
 

Pbartender said:
Soon was simply referring to fact that he had both Xykon and Redcloak, who is caring for Xykin's phylactery, laid out on the floor. Two or three more rounds, and they'd both have been dead and the phylactery destroyed, thus ending Xykon's shenanegans for good.
Questionable. Soon seemed to be incapable of handling the Phylactery, for some reason (no idea what that was, though--he didn't appear to be making Incorp Touch Attacks earlier, which throws out my theories; perhaps his sword was symbolic, and they really were Incrop Touch Attacks?). Soon's plan assumed that someone would be coming to help him. Now Miko could have done it, but Miko was a wild card--there was no guarantee of that. What if the Hobgoblins had sent waves of lowbie mages to Magic Missile Soon to redeath? What if they had just sent dozens upon dozens of hobgoblins rushing into the throne room in a desperate attempt to chuck the phylactery out of the window and hide it until Xykon could come back? What if the MitD had come out of his shadow? What if Tsukiko had arrived in the throne room prior to the detonation?

All we know is that Soon was going to kill Xykon and Redcloak a single time each, which (as pointed out in regards to the Linear Guild) is pretty much meaningless. After that, it was up in the air, but the huge victorious army slants things heavily towards Team Evil.
 


bissichan said:
The second I saw Soon reveal he knew how to end Xykon's life once and for all, I knew there was no way he'd be around to tell that to the Order.

Soon could tell dead Roy, who could then be resurrected.

But I doubt that the phylactery will be Redcloak's holy symbol, now that the location is known. That would be poor planning on the lich's part.

I think Roy will come back (lots of jokes about Roy being a level lower than the rest of the OOTS), but I suppose Roy's "player" could introduce a new charater (lots of jokes about how the new guy is "just like Roy").
 


DreadArchon said:
Questionable. Soon seemed to be incapable of handling the Phylactery, for some reason (no idea what that was, though--he didn't appear to be making Incorp Touch Attacks earlier, which throws out my theories; perhaps his sword was symbolic, and they really were Incrop Touch Attacks?). Soon's plan assumed that someone would be coming to help him. Now Miko could have done it, but Miko was a wild card--there was no guarantee of that. What if the Hobgoblins had sent waves of lowbie mages to Magic Missile Soon to redeath? What if they had just sent dozens upon dozens of hobgoblins rushing into the throne room in a desperate attempt to chuck the phylactery out of the window and hide it until Xykon could come back? What if the MitD had come out of his shadow? What if Tsukiko had arrived in the throne room prior to the detonation?

All we know is that Soon was going to kill Xykon and Redcloak a single time each, which (as pointed out in regards to the Linear Guild) is pretty much meaningless. After that, it was up in the air, but the huge victorious army slants things heavily towards Team Evil.

It's not really clear why Soon couldn't hack the phylactery, since his sword definitely left physical marks on Xykon. But he did say he'd need someone to come around to help. But the deal about killing them just a single time each is a little silly, since it didn't seem like there were any hobby clerics left high enough to resurrect Redcloak if his body was destroyed. And how to you raise a destroyed lich, anyway? True resurrection?
 

Michael Morris said:
It's time for Miko's swan song :(
This fits comic #464 in particular and works very well as a theme for Miko, right down to the title: "Earthly Illusions"

http://downloads.khinsider.com/game...ersary-sound-history/02-earthly-illusions.mp3

Note the link goes to a front page so that their ads get a chance to display. They have this annoying setup where you can't direct link to the music file. Anyway, in the middle column look for the 'Download to Computer' link.

The song is from Nobunaga's Ambition 20th Anniversary Sound Collection - and this particular track is performed by the Tokyo Symphony Orchestra. The 3rd track, "Fight Under the Heavens" fits the whole Azure City story arc pretty well.

Hope you guys enjoy it.

Morrus, a million and one thanks for that link. There's some bloody fantastic music in there for my OpenRPG game. Two thumbs up.
 

I think Soon was making strictly magical attacks rather than making selective corporal attacks. Soon kept shouting "smite evil" and that was inflicting damage on Xykon and Red Cloak because the sword was occupying the same physical place as they were, not that the sword itself was directly causing damage, scratch marks or not. However, actually destroying the phylactery may have been beyond his abilities. Maybe he could not "smite evil" often enough times in a day to kill Xykon and Red Cloak and destroy the phylactery, maybe the phylactery is not technically evil, and is therefor immune to being smited.

And I want Miko to suffer and burn without end.
 

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