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Indeed. In fact it looks more like Berlew is taking a shot at players being bitchy about having gear sundered. Much like killing the mount from under someone to negate their mounted feats, sundering archers works well.

But how?!

It was a rogue with a dagger. Who didn't have surprise, let alone the fact you can't SA an object... A +3 bow shouldn't be nearly that easy to sunder. I thought the strip was amusing till that. I'm really not happy, I like Haley, so to know how utterly powerless she can become so easily really is upsetting. I mean cripes sake, I thought that fighter outreach guy could've tried to sunder a few strips ago. By comparison, it seems he could have done it in one hit without power attack!

Utter stupidity ruins humor. (And I rarely find Elan funny, before someone makes that retort. Thog manages to be funny through use of irony and perspective.)
 

Indeed. In fact it looks more like Berlew is taking a shot at players being bitchy about having gear sundered. Much like killing the mount from under someone to negate their mounted feats, sundering archers works well.

Exactly. Sunder is one of those things that some, myself included obviously, find pretty cheap, for both PCs and DMs to use. It drastically reduces a character's effectiveness, in some cases to the point where the only possible action left is to run. Hence players being bitchy about it when it's used on them, and DMs being bitchy when it's used on their baddies.
 



Perhaps the dagger is adamantine.
Would make less difference than you think under 3.5 rules. +3 means the wood's Hardness of 5 went up to 11. Adamantine would ignore either. However 3 points of enhancement would add 30 HP to the bow. Really hard to get that output on a one handed weapon.
 

Would make less difference than you think under 3.5 rules. +3 means the wood's Hardness of 5 went up to 11. Adamantine would ignore either. However 3 points of enhancement would add 30 HP to the bow. Really hard to get that output on a one handed weapon.

We do'nt know if this was a full round attack: With 2-3 attacks, Krystal can deal 35 damage if she ignores hardness.

+4 adamantine Dagger: deals minimum 5-8 damage + Str (since we know she doesn't have high Cha, Int, or Wis we assuming higher Str and Dex)per hit.
If we assume 16 Str (20 with Magic items): we get +5 Str damage:

So now we get 10-13 danage a hit (average 11.5). So she has a good chance to destroy it in 3 attacks.
Krystal could have boosts of speed giving her +1 attack (since BAB should only give 2).

Another alternative:
+4 dagger of Suppression: Suppression dispels an object or creature hit by it (3/day).
If she made her dispel check the bow is non-magical.

Thus, 5 hps and 5 hardness: destroyed in one hit by a +4 dagger. Doesn't even need adamantine.
 


Not fun for me.

I tried to watch the series Ikki Tousen and gave up after three episodes, since the main character was just too dumb to get involved in plots.

Krystal is doing the same thing :( I have to wonder if Haley will face any villains we've been introduced to in this whole sequence.
 

Exactly. Sunder is one of those things that some, myself included obviously, find pretty cheap, for both PCs and DMs to use. It drastically reduces a character's effectiveness, in some cases to the point where the only possible action left is to run. Hence players being bitchy about it when it's used on them, and DMs being bitchy when it's used on their baddies.

I suppose this view depends a great deal on how much of your character's ability is tied to a single specific weapon.

When considered from the point of view of a single particular battle, losing a specific weapon to sunder (and to a lesser extent disarm) will have the following effects.

1) You no longer threaten any squares, meaning you might get swarmed.
2) You lose any feats that require effectively require you to have a weapon (Combat Reflexes off the top of my head, but not really many others)
3) You lose any weapon specific enhancement bonuses and abilities.
4) You lose any weapon specific feats (Wpn focus, Wpn Specialization, Improved Critical).
5) You lose any meaningful means of attacking until you draw another weapon.
5a) If you do not have QuickDraw, you lose your iterative attacks

If you have any sort of replacement weapon on your person, and draw it on the first possible opportunity, you only suffer items 3 and 4 for the rest of that fight.

After that fight, you need to replace that weapon. If you picked Longsword and your group has not been religiously selling off every other magical weapon you guys found, you ought to be fine, if not in a fully optimal position. If you have no suitable replacements, finding one may be possible if you have been fighting human opponents, in which case you will at least get some feat specific benefits back.

In any event, as long as the DM does not make you wait 5 levels for a suitable replacement, you ought to be fine.

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