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I can't seriously believe that some people are trying to say that this wasn't an evil act. Heck this thing bordered on Vile, if not jumping over it with rocket skates.

Bingo.

This was an Evil act, big Evil, Vile class evil. Crack open the BoVD because you didn't just cross the moral event horizon, you went headlong into the singularity with that one.

An epic spell that borders on genocide, slaughtering dozens or hundreds of beings instantly across the world based on nothing more than kinship. Even if the vast majority of Black Dragons are Evil, there are still the non-evil kin (the "black sheep" of the family, and non-evil Black Dragons ect), and using an Evil spell on this scale is like textbook evil.

When this Soul Splice ends, and V doesn't have the collective power of 3 epic-level casters backing him/her up, he's going to have a lot of irate beings after her/him (Tiamat & the church thereof, any allies of his/her victims that weren't family ect.).
 

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When did a small number of civilian casualties make an act unspeakably vile?

I dunno, I think this is a not quite evil act done for very evil reasons.
 

When did a small number of civilian casualties make an act unspeakably vile?

I dunno, I think this is a not quite evil act done for very evil reasons.

Civilian casualties implies some sort of war. Ultimately, every single black dragon killed was a civilian casualty in the war between one black dragon and V, and that black dragon had already lost that war by being killed by V. They may not be innocent, but they certainly weren't part of any war against V ... arguably few if any even knew of V's existence.
 

When did a small number of civilian casualties make an act unspeakably vile?
Hmm, an Epic Spell specifically designed to kill people across the world for no reason other than their kinship to a target, to such an distance in relationship that the victims quite possibly have never met the initial subject. Look at what counts as Vile spells in the BoVD, this would go right in there.

This isn't destroying some evil creature in self defense, or defense of your town/country, or to thwart an ongoing evil plan of these creatures. This is mass murder of dozens/hundreds or even thousands as vengeance with the paper thin self-justification of protecting your family and V didn't do it because they were Evil in alignment.

We don't know just how many victims there were, and it's doesn't matter. It's not about numbers, it's not about just how many civilian casualties makes it vile, it's the intent and how the intent was carried out. The intent was to slaughter countless black dragons and black-dragon-kin just because one of them came after him, and the means was Epic-level Necromancy.

It's an act bordering on genocide, it's blatantly Vile.
 

It's an act bordering on genocide, it's blatantly Vile.

It's genocide of a genetically evil race.

I mean putting aside intent, because V's intent in this case is clearly evil/bad/vile, I'm not getting that from the act itself.

Is killing all demons or devils evil? Is ridding the world of black dragons an evil act? I just can't see it, sure it's a little morally hazy because there have to be a handful of good black dragons out there, but killing evil creatures is not an evil act.
 

Holy :):):):)!

The cost of that epic spell should damn well better be expensive as hell! Can you say, "broken"?!

And V's digging the hole deeper. Wiping out an entire species of dragon is a highly disproportionate response. Even if it's not every black dragon, just the blood relatives of the mother, it's still disproportionate. Don't use the "they're evil" defense here; because they are evil, many of them will be selfish enough that they simply wouldn't care that V killed a blood relative. D&D dragons are not that empathic towards each other, so therefore, V never really needed to worry about future "threats". V's just getting an evilgasm from this.

Also, V kill stole from at least one adventuring party, and won't get the experience from it. Anyone who's ever had someone kill steal from them knows that kill stealers are the among the lowest of lowlifes, with only ninja looters worse. That too is vile evil.

If I were DMing this, I too would pull out Tiamat...after the soul splice wears off. At least that's what I'd do if a player even attempted to do this (and the spells would probably be too damn expensive to pull off in the first place). And before anyone cries foul over heavy-handed DMing, I'd think the deity queen of evil dragonkind would certainly take notice if some little elf just suddenly wiped out a big chunk of her worshippers like this.

Anyway, the karma for this little stunt is going to be a bitch. V's doing a good job of out-eviling Belkar.

V just needs to cast a wish ("I wish that any of the dragonspawn I just killed that wasn't evil and will not take revenge on me or my family for killing their family would be resurrected") and he's golden again.

Not if I were DMing. Trying to undo the karma for this over-the-top ineffably evil act with a wish is grounds for massive wish perversion. It's a matter of weasling out of something you did that was truely wicked instead of being mature about it and accepting the consequences.

Wouldn't it be awesome if the reign of dragon destruction continues into next strip... and we suddenly find out that someone very close to V has a little black dragon blood in his/her distant past? ;)

That would be very good. The appropriate result of making a foolish Faustian pact like this.

Plus, this is dnd. V can just, after the splice is done, go get atonement cast by some random cleric and do some silly quest like save the universe from the snarl and call it neutral.

This is too big to simply be washed away by a mere atonement.
 
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Plus, this is dnd. V can just, after the splice is done, go get atonement cast by some random cleric and do some silly quest like save the universe from the snarl and call it neutral.

For that V must want to repent, but he/she was never really good or even neutral at all so I don't think that even without the splice he/she would feel sorry for the act.
Just remember Kubota.
 
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Plus, this is dnd. V can just, after the splice is done, go get atonement cast by some random cleric and do some silly quest like save the universe from the snarl and call it neutral.

That'll totally make it all right with V's SO and their kids.
 



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