OT - Console Game Systems

Doc, I'd give a try to FF10 in that case. It has spoken dialogue and the interface is easy. Don't expect much in the way of nonlinearity, though.

Welverin, the comment about MGS2 was a half-joke; I loved the game but I can easily see someone disliking the final part of the plot. It is far too contrived.

Sincere question: can someone tell me how is the Xbox better than the PS2 at playing DVDs?
 

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Overall I'd say the X-Box. I love my PS2 especially since I got Vice City, but most games are on multiple platforms, and when they are they usually look slightly better on the X-Box. And yes while the Ps2 has mor games the X-Box has well over 100 games so its not that big of an issue anymore.

If you can find some exclusive titles you can't live without on a certain system go for that. But as a general rule most games will be on both systems so it's not much of an issue. (Me I need the PS2 for the GTA(vice city) line, and the tekken fighting line,I glad I have the X-Box for cross platform games, DoA2, and a couple game scoming out in the future)

Oh and if you like on-line games it might be worthwhile to see what the systems will be coming out with for their online atachments. (I have neither, but from what I've seen I prefer the games and attachment for the X-Box(they call it Live). While FFXI I'm sure looks cool, the series has let me down since 7 and I think I'd prefer the game I saw on IGN, called True fantasy online for the X-Box.
 

Zappo said:
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Sincere question: can someone tell me how is the Xbox better than the PS2 at playing DVDs?

Only thing I've ntoiced is that the X-Box has better fast-forward(up to x32 instead of the PS2 2 or4 I think) and reverse, oh and it can zoom in. Other than that the picture is the same, the sound same, I guess I prefer the X-Box remote, but the remote is needed while the PS2 remote wasn't.
 

Zappo said:
Welverin, the comment about MGS2 was a half-joke; I loved the game but I can easily see someone disliking the final part of the plot. It is far too contrived.

Me no get the funny.

What did you think of Raiden? He didnn't bother me outside of the overall story issues, but he did seem to be rather disliked by a lot of people.
 

Welverin;

My point was that it wouldn't be exclusive... Sorry if I didn't word it right. :)

I hated MGS2 btw... The plot was just too icky for me. And yes, I said icky.
 

I'm into videogames as much as I'm into DnD

The best place to go to get truthful answers is www.ign.com

The PS2 has the most games - which is the only aspect in which it is ahead of its pack; however its probably the most important one

If you analyze the specs of the Xbox and the Gamecube, the Xbox is more powerful but is statistically insignificant.

It really comes down to which kind of games you want to buy. I own a Gamecube because I live in a college town and I have friends at my apt all the freakin time. No other system comes close to multiplayer fun.

The only RPG out for the GCN is Phantasy Star Online (the other RPG is a card game that blows in my opinion). PSO is a great game, online or not and it should be coming to the other systems soon enough. The total lack of RPGs should drive most of you away and rightly so.

I also like adventure games Mario, Resident Evil, Eternal Darkness, Starfox, Zelda, Metroid, the list continues.

Everyone should seriously check out Metroid Prime; it was funny hearing an Xbox rep say, "Damn, now I have to buy a GCN," when he played a demo of it at EB.

My brother has a PS2 which is why I don't own one. The recent Squaresoft games didn't grab like they used to, which is the only reason I had a PSX (99% of my PSX games were Square).

Since Squaresoft is making games for Nintendo now (Final Fantasy movies and screens are available at cube.ign.com) I have even less reason to buy a PS2.

I'll be buying an XBox soon enough so I can get my hands on some of their great games; but I probably will never own as many games for that as I do my GCN.

-Telor
 

Zappo said:
Whoa! That seems too weird to be true, such a mod chip would take months if not years to develop. It's basically a PS2 emulator - in hardware, to boot. Nah, I don't believe it. It probably can be made, but it would be very hard and costly, and take more time than what the Xbox has been out for.

It would be sweet, since Microsoft makes money on the games sold rather than the consoles sold. :D

As someone else pointed out it was poorly written article summery I read where a guy selling PS2 mod chips got a ruling that worried microsoft.

But hey, you can still play tux racer on an xbox. And that's pretty close to GTA vice city.
 
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DocMoriartty said:
I have no interest in Game Cube

There are some great games for the Cube. Single-player: Pikmin, Starfox, Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing {I know 4 adults hopelessly addicted to the last one}. Mulit: Godzilla, Mystic Hereos, and most importantly, Super Monkey Ball {which makes a great mixer with Scotch...}.

That said, I'd have to recommend a PS2. It comes down to economics. With the biggest {and most diverse} userbase, the PS2 has and will continue to have the biggest, most diverse selection of games. Also, in terms of multiplatform games, inevitably, the most work goes into the PS2 version {and not just because of the PS2 famed difficult architecture}. Games ported to the Cube and Xbox often look a little better than their PS2 counterparts {when they should look markedly better}, but play worse, being quick and dirty ports. The most effort goes to the biggest market. Plus, with so many games being released, their price point drops fairly quickly. A lot of good PS2 games can be had for $20 and under.


And Doc, if you want a PS2 RPG, try Suikoden 3. It's wacky, in the manner of most Japanese RPG's, but well-written. And comprehensible.

And props to whoever said "Buy a Dreamcast". Search your couch for change and pick one up. Its has some of finest arcade style games, escpecially multiplayer {Soul Calibur, Virtua Tennis, Powerstone1&2, ect}. Plus Skies of Arcadia, an excellent console RPG...
 

Welverin said:
Me no get the funny.
Sorry. :D
What did you think of Raiden?
He's cool enough. Better than Mario, definitely. Ok, he isn't the most interesting character in the world, but when compared to the hordes of nondescript heroes in 95% of the games around he is still above average. I liked the other characters more. In any case, apart from the plot, the gameplay is very fun.
 

As someone mentioned earlier, it all depends on what you're looking for...

PS2 Pros:
- Immense library of games
- GTA, Tekken, Metal Gear, and Gran Turismo series are exclusive to PS2, for now
- Lots of RPG's, Final Fantasy being the most noteworthy
- Backward compatibility with original PS games
- DVD playback is possibly a plus (though I agree with one of the previous posters; if you truly want to watch a lot of DVD's, get a REAL DVD player. It's worth it.)
- Developers often use the PS2 as primary development platform (limits bad 'ports' along with some other smaller benefits)

PS2 Cons:
- Only 2 controller ports (though multitap is available)
- Hardware is noticeably weaker than XBOX and Gamecube in some multiplatform titles (blurry textures, jagged lines, etc.)


Gamecube Pros:
- Four controller ports
- Classic exclusive franchises (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, F-Zero, Sonic (it still feels odd saying that), etc.)
- Numerous strong party-game/multiplayer titles (great when you've got friends, not so great if you always game alone)
- Resident Evil franchise is exclusive, for now (except Resident Evil Online)
- Final Fantasy game(s) scheduled for 2003 release
- Much improved third party support in comparison to the N64
- Nintendo is arguably the best video game software developer in the world, in terms of quality and experience

Gamecube Cons:
- Alleged (misplaced?) 'Kiddy' image (it isn't half as bad as people make it out to be; people have a love/hate thing with Mario, so again it comes down to personal preference)
- Sometimes receives straight or sub-optimal ports (developers dont always utilize the hardware in multiplatorm releases to add and enhance features, and sometimes even sloppily port games, making them slightly worse than the original)


XBOX Pros:
- Four controller ports
- Most powerful console on the market
- Built in hard drive allows for custom soundtracks, save game storage, and more
- Usually has the best version of multiplatform games, in terms of graphics
- DVD playback is possibly a plus (see comments in PS2 section)
- Has recently scored some exclusive developers/licenses that could be potential hits (most notably Rare, and it will be interesting to how their games turn out after the buyout; 10% of the staff departed, and instead of Nintendo internally supporting their efforts, it's now MS)
- DOA franchise (not exactly my cup of tea, though I've heard some people really like those girls)

XBOX Cons:
- MS has yet to prove itself as a first-party developer, and currently lacks strong second-party support (And don't say Halo :P Thank Bungie for that one, not MS)
- (+?) Has a PC-centric image (XBOX has an image of mainly receiving slightly watered down PC ports (Max Payne, Morrowind, etc), though if you don't have a nice PC, this could be counted as a benefit)
- Must purchase separate DVD kit for DVD playback


Note on exclusivity:
Even though a title may be exclusive to a console, it may be developed on the PC, as well (certain Final Fantasy titles, GTA, etc.)


Other Random Notes:
- Disc size is a non-issue. PS2 and XBOX basically use standard DVDs. The Gamecube discs are smaller, but by no means small at approximately 1.5 gigs. If extra space is needed, the developer simply creates a second or third disc at minimal cost.
- Controllers are a matter of personal preference, each having their highs and lows, though all feel fine after adapting to their individual quirks. The smaller S-Controller is recommended for XBOX, and Nintendo's wireless Wavebird controller is rather amazing. Also, adapters can usually be found to use alternate controllers from rival systems on your system of choice.
- Online gaming is still largely up in the air on all 3 systems. XBOX potentially has the best online plan, while Nintendo's is arguably the weakest, though this is all still mostly speculation in the grand scheme of things. Many factors are involved, and if online play is important to you, research each systems online plan thoroughly before making a purchase.


Personal opinions/recommendations:
It all comes down to what kind of gamer you are, what you like to play, and whether or not you already have a PC or another console system. Casual gamers should likely stick with the PS2 since it has such a diverse array of titles. Fans of Sonic (since Sega is now third party), Mario, and other classic/nostalgic franchises should go with Nintendo. XBOX has good shooters and racing games. Nintendo has good multiplayer and party games. Sony has good fighting games and RPG's. In general, you'll find that exclusive titles make or break a console purchase, so buy a system that supports your favorite games.

If you can afford it, buy two systems -- A PS2 or XBOX, and a Gamecube, as you'll get the least amount of overlap in titles. I own a GC (love the multiplayer games and Nintendo franchises) and a PC (for my FPS, RPG, and online gaming fix), and I'd like to pick up a PS2 sometime down the road. I have a hard time recommending XBOX simply because they don't have many great titles that can't be found on other systems or the PC. If MS can produce a strong holiday lineup, it could really turn things around for them, though.

In my opinion, skip over IGN, Gamespot, and such and simply head straight to gamerankings.com. They compile reviews from printed sources and sites all over the web. It's the best way to see if a title is truly good without testing it yourself since you receive a large sample of reviews. The larger sites, while nice, tend to be.... inconsistent with their reviews, since they deal with a large number of games, and reviewers vary in strictness and bias. You can easily be burned if merely rely on one or two sites.

Lastly, the best way to choose a console is to find friends that already own them, are very knowledgeable of what's available, are knowledgeable of what you like, and are willing to let you play (or borrow) their games. Research other titles you're interested in and rent a few of them. Whichever system you had the most fun with overall, well, that's your winner.
 
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