OT: Do you hate Telemarketters as much as I do?

[Umbran]

Nah, probably not.

But neither is what they do.

Fair enough.

I'll note, only for the sake of completeness, that the fact that they failed to use their right responsibly in no way relieves you of your own responsibility.

And Spider Man pales in comparison to Bat Man baby...

Bats is an obsessive psychotic. Plus, by comparison his movies stink

 

[Ace]

I appreciate the kind thought.

Due to the others and yourself bringing to my attention the existance of these no-call lists, I have signed on to the New York one. According to it, I should be "free" of these entities after November 1st.

FD

Great! I hope that things get TM free for you! Do note it will take up to 6 months to eradicate most of the calls. The lists have to filter about.

Also note, not every TM call may be affected

 

[Ace]

Oh and MODS I apologize for going so far off thread. I will try not to go political in the future.

Fortunately Furn and company are pretty cool guys and we were able to keep it civil. Thanks All

 

[Tsyr]

However if the guy robbed you because you were too cheap to pay the taxes needed to cure his addiction to illegal drugs, or help a down and outer than you brought it on yourself.
If he can't work and can't get a meal he will do what it takes to live.
If you are on the wrong end than sorry Charlie thats life.

Sorry, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree before this becomes too heated... but basicly I feel no resonsibility to help drug addicts. They got themselves into it, they can get themselves out.

I have some sympathies for people whos misfortune in life is through no fault of their own _AND_ have tried their best to correct it themselves first. It has to be both, mind you, not one or the other.

 

[Furn_Darkside]

An ad in a magazine interrupts what I am doing as they attempt to sell me a product. It is valid in response to the post I responded to. He said nothing about telemarketers, simply people who interrupt your life to sell you something, which is what ads do by nature; they grab your time and attention and try to persuade you into buying something.

I am going to try this one more time.

1) Magazines, radio, and television are not modern necessities. You don't have to have any of them.
1a) The telephone is a necessity- I must have one.

2) You buy magazines, radio, and televisions with full knowledge that ads will most likely be present. If you don't like ads, then you pay more to buy access to sources that don't have ads.
2a) You do not get a telephone with the knowledge that it will be used as a constant source of telemarketing. There is no option for the phone.

3) If I am reading a magazine, listening to the radio, or watching television, then since ads are expected- they are not an intrusion.
3a) Telemarketing calls come when I am doing anything but using the phone.

4) If an ad in a magazine, on the radio, or on television irritates me, then I can throw away any of them and never be forced to face the ad again.
4a) Since the phone is a necessity, it is not an option to throw away. As others have stated over and over- there is no way to escape a telemarketer. Polite, rude, or compliant- they will call you back.

You still don't see the difference?

FD

 

[Ace]

Sorry, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree before this becomes too heated... but basicly I feel no resonsibility to help drug addicts. They got themselves into it, they can get themselves out.

I have some sympathies for people whos misfortune in life is through no fault of their own _AND_ have tried their best to correct it themselves first. It has to be both, mind you, not one or the other.

Fair enough. Its guys like you who know when agree to disagree and leave it alone that make ENWorld so cool.

Thanks.

 

[Furn_Darkside]

Its guys like you who know when agree to disagree and leave it alone that make ENWorld so cool.

Its the biting of the tongue so much that hurts the most. haha.

FD

 

[Ilen]

You are being ridiculous.

I paid for the phone line- it is not a public forum.

It is not paid for the convenience of telemarketers. It is paid for my convenience. I should not have to alter my life and how I use the phone due to telemarketers.

They are unsolicited advertisements that force my ear for any moment of time.

FD

You sure do have a funny notion of force. And it doesn't really change the way to use your phone line, unless of course it caused you to learn how the hang the thing up when somebody who you don't wish to speak to is on the other line.

You pay for cable, the ads on it are 'forced' on you, why aren't you complain about them and labeling the people who made the ads scum?

The moment they call me and force me to pick up the phone to find out who they are- they have used a resource I have paid for to intrude into my life.

So does anyone who calls you, the only thing the differs is how receptive you are towards to caller.

But, as someone else as said- we are just going around the mulberry bush.

Of course, we aren’t going to get anywhere. You are too busy insulting people you don’t know, and I’m too busy defending people I do.

I think people are getting confused on the issue I'm taking the time to comment on. I'm not claiming that Telemarketers are angels and should be cheered for the job they do, I'm asserting that telemarketers aren't automatically mad scum because of what they are doing for a living.

 

[Squire James]

I agree that most telemarketers are annoying, but it is rarely the fault of the telemarketer himself. He has no control over who he's calling... the company dials the number for him. He usually has no control over what he says... most comanies have a script that they will write up people for deviating from overmuch. In short, almost 100% of the things you are annoyed about is really the company's fault.

Don't pick on the telemarketer. He's just the messenger. Putting him out of work just means some other schmuck will call you next time. The real "enemy" (if you choose to view them as such) is the telemarketing company. If what you did does not affect the company, it was ineffective. Focus on the real target, not that dummy target the company sticks up in front of you!

 

[Tsyr]

You pay for cable, the ads on it are 'forced' on you, why aren't you complain about them and labeling the people who made the ads scum?

The difference is that adds are a part of television, and NOT an outside intrusion.

When I turn on the television, I know I am going to see adds. It's a part of what it is. Adds are NOT a part of what the telephone is.

To put another spin on it.

Adds on TV are put there by the people running the service. When I see an add for Pepsi, it's being brought to me by Fox or whoever, as an accepted fact of watching that station.

But it is not my phone company calling me. In fact, the only phone companies that call me are phone companies trying to get me to DROP my existing company. The adds are not an intrinsic part of what my telephone service is.

And as was also said... no one makes you watch television. Don't like the adds, don't watch television. But I _AM_ forced to have a telephone. And, as a result, forced to deal with unwanted harassment. I cannot simply refuse to have a telephone.