[OT] Don't buy Mitsubishi!!

Maerdwyn said:
IANAL, but - unfortunately there's a chance they may not be legally in the wrong. Morally, they probably rank somewhere below a fiendish rot grub. I've heared of this tactic being used on anyone, not just people with lower-than-excellent credit...

from www.yourwealth.com:

"SCAM #2: .................

Could be. AFAIK, I have good credit, but this sounds like where this may be going.

This actually happened to a buddy of mine. He had to have his father co-sign with him. Three days later, he was told he had to bring the truck back because his father's credit wasn't good enough.

I know one thing, I feel sorry for the person that ended up with that truck. My buddy did his best to blow the motor up in it before he took it back. The tires where bald and it was covered in mud. :D
 

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Ashrem Bayle said:
My only concern is that I'm going to start going over the fine print of our contract and find:

"12 months deferment plan subject to change without notice."

...or somesuch.

If that is the case, I hope the salesman dies drowning in his own feces, because 12 months was written plainly on the printout he gave us that showed our monthly payments and, of course, nothing like that was ever mentioned.

Don't be too woried about fine print. In many places they can't use fine print to screw the "average" joe. It is taken into account that.
1: most people don't read their contracts all the way through.
2: even poeple who read the entire thing may not understand it without a law degree.
3: you the buyer being a small fry are in a decidely poorer position at the barganing table.

If they try some small print tactic talk to your lawyer about a nice fraud suit with punitive damages. Saying one thing and trying to let the fine print save them wont cut it depending on the place you live/purchased the car.
 

Ashrem Bayle said:

I know one thing, I feel sorry for the person that ended up with that truck. My buddy did his best to blow the motor up in it before he took it back. The tires where bald and it was covered in mud. :D

Sounds a bit immature... but damn, I wish I had balls for a move like that if I was ever hosed on a car deal! :D
 

Numion said:


Sounds a bit immature... but damn, I wish I had balls for a move like that if I was ever hosed on a car deal! :D

Yep. Thats my buddy. All balls, no brains. Immature doesn't even begin.... :rolleyes:

It was funny though. :D
 


This is a fun issue to deal with. I know this not because I've ever sold cars (I haven't and never will!), but because something similar has happened to me in the past. The deal to buy a car is usually written pending finance. They sell you your contract on the contingency that your loan is accepted by a specific bank. If not, then they do what they can for you. In some cases they sell the car by assuming the bank will accept it when in fact they haven't looked closely enough at your credit report. Weeks or months later, after they tell you that you haven't been accepted, you have the option to return the car or accept their new financing deal. When you tell them that you want your old car back, 99% of the time they will tell you that it has already been sold to another customer (I've been told by car salesmen that this is done to keep you from cancelling the deal, even if you car hasn't been sold. Often times it is sitting on another lot waiting to be sold). This leaves you in a position where you have to buy the car you were originally trying to buy under their new terms.

My advice, tell them no deal and ask for your old car back. When that doesn't work, tell them that you'll be dropping off the new car along with the keys, and you expect to be reimbursed for the car they sold before your financing was approved. At that point the dealership will sometimes finance you themselves under the original terms in order to avoid potential legal problems.

Depending on how the original contract is written though, they might have you over a barrel. I generally like Mitsubishi's, but coincidentally, it was a Mits dealership that I had my problem with. Coincidence?
 


Shard O'Glase said:


Don't be too woried about fine print. In many places they can't use fine print to screw the "average" joe. It is taken into account that.
1: most people don't read their contracts all the way through.
2: even poeple who read the entire thing may not understand it without a law degree.
3: you the buyer being a small fry are in a decidely poorer position at the barganing table.

If they try some small print tactic talk to your lawyer about a nice fraud suit with punitive damages. Saying one thing and trying to let the fine print save them wont cut it depending on the place you live/purchased the car.

I _am_ a lawyer, and am warning you that the fine print _does_ matter! The 'I didn't read it' or 'I didn't understand it' defense will not work. While a contract written by a party will generally be construed agaisnt it (becuase of the bargaining power), that doesn't mean that a court will ignore it altogether. Even if they lie to you and say "This contract says you will pay us $10" and it actually says you will pay $100, the contract itself is binding.* Sucks don'tit?

What do we learn? READ READ READ!!! before you sign


*granted, you may have other, non contract remedies, such as tortious inducement, fraud, bad faith, yadda yadda.... but that doesnt make my story scary!

**All content in this post is for informational use only and no legal advice has been sought or given, no legal relationship formed. Consult your attorney for further information.
 

Well.. my wife just called and read to me the parts of the contract in question.

It says simply "first payment is due 2-1-04".

That doesn't sound like they have a lot of room to wiggle around to me.
 

mkarol is definitely correct, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that a lot of the stuff these places pull is shady and NOT backed up by their contracts or any written laws. I suggest playing hardball with them. Let us know how it goes. I'm curious to hear how it turns out.
 

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