[OT] The X-Men are not human!
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MMMMMM.........Storm..........my.........pet.............(golemisque)
Ranger REG
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Sorry, but having silicone would not lessen your status.Guilt Puppy said:
If that were the case, Tommy Lee would have full custody of his and Pamela Anderson's children ... although not a good thing either. Just kidding.
Re: A hypothetical discussion ... albeit fictional but insightful
Actually, most of these questions have already been answered (although the forum may surprise you). Do they have civil rights? Yes. Can they own property? Certainly!
Corporations are, in the eyes of the law, artifical people, with all the rights of people, able to sue for redress of grievances, buy and sell property, etc. Interestingly enough, however, Corporations, themselves, can ALSO be bought and sold...
Not to mention that patents on bioengineered lifeforms (an oil-eating bacterium) have already been granted!
Civil courts, certainly. Criminal courts most assuredly. Civil offenses are against persons or property. As far as I know, there is no legal definition of "person" as separate from "human", so I suppose some lawyer could argue to block cases involving crimes against the person of a mutant, but crimes against property couldn't be blocked (or ACME Corp. couldn't sue for destroying their wall, for example).
Most crimes against a person are also criminal offenses, however. A crime is different from a Civil offense in that it is not only a threat to a person (or Corp.) or property, but also against society as a whole... Thus, someone who tries to shoot ME in the head is also a danger (or at least potential danger) to YOU.
Here, of course, some lawyer will argue that mutants AREN'T members of society, and indicate the Morlocks. Charles Xavier and Hank McCoy will, of course, testify otherwise...
1 "Of, relating to, or characteristic of human beings."
2 "Made up of people."
3 "A person."
"Person" is defined as a human being, or their body. "People" is also defined as a human being.
Nice, circular reasoning.
"Going to court is a"... uhm... dice-shoot.
Ranger REG said:
Actually, most of these questions have already been answered (although the forum may surprise you). Do they have civil rights? Yes. Can they own property? Certainly!
Corporations are, in the eyes of the law, artifical people, with all the rights of people, able to sue for redress of grievances, buy and sell property, etc. Interestingly enough, however, Corporations, themselves, can ALSO be bought and sold...
Not to mention that patents on bioengineered lifeforms (an oil-eating bacterium) have already been granted!
Civil courts, certainly. Criminal courts most assuredly. Civil offenses are against persons or property. As far as I know, there is no legal definition of "person" as separate from "human", so I suppose some lawyer could argue to block cases involving crimes against the person of a mutant, but crimes against property couldn't be blocked (or ACME Corp. couldn't sue for destroying their wall, for example).
Most crimes against a person are also criminal offenses, however. A crime is different from a Civil offense in that it is not only a threat to a person (or Corp.) or property, but also against society as a whole... Thus, someone who tries to shoot ME in the head is also a danger (or at least potential danger) to YOU.
Here, of course, some lawyer will argue that mutants AREN'T members of society, and indicate the Morlocks. Charles Xavier and Hank McCoy will, of course, testify otherwise...
1 "Of, relating to, or characteristic of human beings."
2 "Made up of people."
3 "A person."
"Person" is defined as a human being, or their body. "People" is also defined as a human being.
Nice, circular reasoning.
"Going to court is a"... uhm... dice-shoot.
Ranger REG
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And what would a clone fall under?
Humanity not DNA
Maybe he's suggesting that Superman, etc are human by virtue of their humanity, that is how they act and feel, regardless of the physical specifics.
I'd like to see a case like this come up in the Marvel U; it seems like the various mutants should have taken this to court a long time ago. If they were declared human they'd have rights. If not, then they'd need to set up new laws regarding them.
Also, didn't Forge or someone develop some ray that inhibits mutations (he used it on Storm). So why doesn't he use it to eliminate birth defects and other variations from the normal genetic code?
Bagpuss said:
Maybe he's suggesting that Superman, etc are human by virtue of their humanity, that is how they act and feel, regardless of the physical specifics.
I'd like to see a case like this come up in the Marvel U; it seems like the various mutants should have taken this to court a long time ago. If they were declared human they'd have rights. If not, then they'd need to set up new laws regarding them.
Also, didn't Forge or someone develop some ray that inhibits mutations (he used it on Storm). So why doesn't he use it to eliminate birth defects and other variations from the normal genetic code?
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