[OT] Which do you think are the best fantasy novels/authors?

The first fantasy novel I ever read was the Silmarillian (at age 13), I had no problem with it at all, I read Lord of the Rings that same year and had absolutely no problem understanding anything in it, I fond the Hobbit to be sort of childish when I read it at the age of 14. My opinion of Tolken's writing is that it was very easy to read and I sort of find it simplistic compared to some of today's books, (I keep note cards handy when I read Robert Jordan books).

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Originally posted by Celtavian
Tolkien is an adult book requiring a higher level of comprehension than most fantasy books to grasp the story. Certain dialogue in the books is beyond most young peoples ability to comprehend.

Even I had a difficult time enjoying Tolkien when I was a youth. I was much too active and didn't want to sit around reading three big books.

When I reached adulthood, I finally picked them up and gave them a good read. I was amazed at what I did not appreciate when I was younger about Tolkien's amazing story.
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I don't know who mentioned it above, but I also enjoyed Kurtz's Deryni books a lot.

Another one that hasn't been mentioned is Charles deLint. More urban fantasy than anything, but quite good.

Ummm, and Modesitt's Recluce books.
 

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Agreed. Now, with some of what I understand has been changed in the HP books (Actual words being changed to different words), that's bad. But to change the spelling and quotation style? That's just halfway decent editing (even if I generaly use armour and so forth myself, despite being American instead of British.). Not changing that author's own words.

I haven't read the British editions of course, but other than the silly name change of book 1 (and the titular object), and changing 'football' to 'soccer' (which certainly ought to be done in young adult book), did anything else change?
 


To my mind, there are different categories. There are 'Great Works', 'Great Reads' and 'important works' (and, of course, things I don't much care for).

The movies have prompted me to reread Tolkien for the first time in almost 20 years. I am finding it a rewarding and altogether different experience reading them at 34 than I did at 15. Parts of the book I glossed over then are important to me now. Then I cared more for the adventure...now I equally care for the world he crafted, and the compelling conflicts and allegories. Then I thought his writing archaic...now I appreciate what he was doing, and why. To me, Tolkien is all three categories.

There are few other Great Works, per se, to the genre. (hence the reason for my 'important works' category)

For Great Reads, I prefer most of the authors listed above, to varying degrees.

Robert Jordan, once my favorite, lost his position when he choked. Still enjoyed, but he's written a story that he doesn't know how to finish, and is floundering. The most recent book gave me hope, but we'll see with the new book slated to arrive next month.

J.K. Rowling. A relatively new favorite, but one often 'pooh-pooh'ed by pure swords and sorcery fans. Well crafted books that classify as 'ripping yarns', they are often mistook as adventure novels, when they are really mysterys, IMHO. Their format is not so much a formula as it a device. As Rowling gets further along, the books get better, and the maturity level rises with each book. Judging the books by the movies is a foolhardy notion; imagine judging Tolkien by Bakshi's production, for example.

David Eddings Belgariad Before Eddings and his (until recently uncredited) co-writer wife began rehashing the story over and over again, the Belgariad passed as an extremely entertaining diversion. Not great literature, perhaps even a guilty pleasure, but a lot of fun and not entirely serious, something the genre lacks overall. Eddings failings afterwards (particularly in a lack of originality) shouldn't dim this series.

Glen Cook The only author I've met personally (several times), Cook writes some of the best military fantasy in print with the Black Company, and some of the funniest mystery fantasy with the Garrett series. Both are highly recommended and easy reads.

Steven Brust: Jhereg A D&D game that became a succesful series, Jhereg is series that flounders in the middle (when he lays the political allegory on a little thick), but features some engaging characters and some of the funniest writing in fantasy.

George R.R. Martin, Song of Ice and Fire Still a work in progress, and could possibly fail, but unlikely. Unlike Jordan, Martin has a long and more reliable track record to look to, and has much less fear about setting conventions on their ear, or suprising the reader. A more mature read than most fantasy, Martin creates a compelling political drama and then slowly adds fantasy elements in. His world is as compelling as the story, and his ability to redefine characters and deftly deliver a serious page-turner.

Barry Hughart The Master Li series (co-starring Number 10 Ox) is a true romp, taking advantage of an excellent and highly under-used

Fred Saberhagen The Empire of the East (and then the Book of Swords) is entertaining fantasy (or, truthfully, sci-fi with a fantasy cover). Saberhagen is very sparse, however, and not terribly good at overall continuity or world-building, but it's an amusing read, nonetheless.

Brian Jacques Yeah, Redwall is a for younger readers. So are many titles on the more popular fantasy list. The Hobbit, Narnia, Prydain and others are, as well. Once more, ripping good yarns, although somewhat formulaic, Jacques has a lot of fun with the whole concept.

There are others, but these are what occur to me on the short list.

Who you won't find on my list are folks like Tad Williams, who made me so angry with Memory, Sorrow and Thorn that I threw the book against a wall, I felt so cheated by the ending. A beautiful writer who can paint wonderful imagery, the story promised on what it could not deliver, IMHO. Piers Anthony is another. It's a shame when a good writer just won't stop writing bad fiction. Anthony has written some good stuff in his time, but his time in hell will be spelled X-A-N-T-H. Katherine Kurtz's Deryni series may be good, but for some reason I just couldn't get into it. After 30 pages or so, I put it down and never picked it back up. Then, of course, are writers like Mercedes Lackey....(shudder). Jessica Amanda Salmanson's Tomoe Gozen series was fun at the time...but I prefer the original legends she co-opts to her versions, as often as not.

Most of the writers I classify as 'important works' are ones that are usually fairly famous, but not necessarily ones that I've read or would consider reading again.

These include folks like:
  • Jack Vance, The Dying Earth series
  • Michael Moorcock, Elric and the Eternal Champion Series
  • Fritz Leiber, Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser series
  • Robert E. Howard, Conan, Kull, Kane and others
  • T.H. White, The Once and Future King

There are others, here as well, of course. Most of the list, however, falls into the 'read it once so I could see what all the fuss was about' category, for me, and then I've never read them again. Most of them are bound with the pulp tradition, and that appeals to me little to none. This doesn't make them bad, just not to my taste, generally. Elric's repetition became problematic, for me, for example.

This thread is nice, in that it allows me to see some names I haven't seen before. I'll definitely have to check some of them out.
 
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In no particular order:
  • Tolkien's LotR and The Hobbit
  • Howard's Conan
  • Moorcock's Elric
  • Feist's Riftwar series, especially the first book Magician.
 

Then, of course, are writers like Mercedes Lackey....(shudder).

What do you find so objectionable about Lackey? She's actualy one of my favorite fantasy authors, and (IMO) even if you don't like her writing, her world is pretty cool. I didn't mention her here because I wouldn't say her works are "great literature" or anything... they are just fun.

Except maybe for The Last Herald Mage... that series pretty much managed to depress the heck out of me time and time again. Still, I do see Vanyel as being both one of the most (at the same time, strangely) heroic and one of the most human characters she has wrote about.

One thing I really like about Lackey is that her world is pretty darn vast and has a long timeline... You get the feeling that the world had a really long timeline even in Urtho's days, and that's generaly considered practicly pre-history during the Reign of Selenay. Heck, even during the Reign of Roland. And that her stories either shape or are shaped by her own legends... IE, how important Vanyel and Lavan were to the state of Valdemar during Selenay's reign, seeing how the war between Urtho and Ma'ar went down, seeing how the war would have later reprocussions even thousands of years later... how the religions too have history... the church of Vykandis being a prime example of that, but there are others.
 
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What's Lackey's world? I've read several abysmally horrible books/stories by her set in a kind of magic-punk modern setting that was written for pre-pubescent goth/hippy girls as a target audience, as near as I can tell. Worst fantasy I ever had the misfortune to read, and that was when I read pretty much anything I picked up -- I still had enough free time that I didn't have to be as discerning as I am today. :)
 
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Joshua Dyal said:
What's Lackey's world? I've read several abysmally horrible books/stories by her set in a kind of magic-punk modern setting that was written for pre-pubescent goth/hippy girls as a target audience, as near as I can tell. Worst fantasy I ever had the misfortune to read, and that was when I read pretty much anything I picked up -- I still had enough free time that I didn't have to be as discerning as I am today. :)

That would be her Urban Fantasies/SERRAted Edge series... I'll admit, I didn't like most of those, though there was one gem in the entire series... Bedlam's Bard. Not great literature, no, but a fun book.

Her world is often refered to as Valdemar (Even by her sometimes), but really it should be called Velgarth. It's not a human-only world, but there are no elves or dwarves... You have humans (duh), Gryphons (Similar to the DnD Gryphon physicly), Kyree (A race of sentient wolves... not wolf men, wolves), Hertesi (A sort of reptilian halfling), Dyheli (a race of sentient, pack-minded deer-things), Tervardi (A sort of bird-person)... and that's basicly it for "mortal" sentient races (Companions and Firecats aren't mortal, really, and Bond-bird and Wysra are only barely sentient).

Both traditonal "mage" magic and "mind magic" exist... Mind magic is essentialy psionics, though they are totaly a wild-talent thing... You don't learn them, you either have them or you don't... (same with magic in her world, really, though you can do a little magic even without the mage gift, if you are willing to resort to using sacrifices to power your magic). Magic is very free-form... there are set spells (the gate spell, for example, is a remnent of a much larger set of spells that were lost during the Mage Wars, and levin bolt is a fairly common offensive spell... ), but magic is also very open to being played with at a moments notice, if you are willing to risk it. Magic is pretty powerful in her world in some ways than in standard DnD settings, but it's a lot harder to control as well... and some things that are really easy in DnD are almost impossible in her world (Creation of matter doesn't exist at all that I can tell, polymorphing is almost unheard of (and taboo in most cultures, at that), teleportation is only for the really, really powerful, is quite risky, and most of the higher forms of teleportation have been lost in the later days of her world... save for the Fetching school of mind magic, I suppose, but you can't teleport yourself hardly at all with that, or living beings in general for that matter, without risking their life... enchanting things is also quite rare).

Gods are much more scarce than in the standard DnD setting... there only seem to be a tiny handful (less than a half-dozen, at a guess.... and only three for sure... a lot of people follow "gods", but not all of them are real), and in general they don't have quite as active a role in things... they don't grant priests spells, though some religions teach that magic is from the Gods and the priesthood control magic in those religions... The few people the Gods do talk to on a daily basis are generaly fairly special people... even people who don't know the person and don't follow their religion tend to realize there is something "different" about them. And those people are quite rare... No more than a handful for any religion. Only one, or none, for most. And religions as a result feel more real... religions change, they can be corrupted, they can have different sects that all believe in the same core ideas but each have different outlooks on things, etc.

Uh... that's just some of the basics.
 
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