[OT] Why is Anime so popular???

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Utrecht said:
Oh, I see the pattern and recognize it as a prime contributor - however, it seems that the percentage of good vs bad anime seems much higher than other forms of popular culture - which leads me two one of two conclusions....

1) I must be missing something - entirely possible
2) The "puplic" is missing something

Yes, but it should also lead you to a third possibility...

3)While it seems that the percentage of good vs bad anime is higher than other forms, this is not actually the case.

After all, have you actually counted? Doesn't the apparent mystery dissolve if in fact anime has about the same crud/gem ratio as everything else? When trying to reach a conclusion, it pays to not trust a seeming.
 

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Utrecht, another thing you have to realize is that the American public really is "missing" something, in a way. Your more die-hard anime fans probably have some kind of access to far better anime than the stuff that's generally available on Cartoon Network or the like. A lot of really good stuff has NOT made its way over here yet.

But some lucky folks (like me) have access to fansubs (subbed by fans), and have been exposed to some really good anime that hasn't been killed by subpar voice acting or chopped up in editing for American TV standards.

A lot of my favorite anime shows ARE very different from stuff that's available here. Many anime series no longer follow the trite idea that nothing should change from one show to the next. Action shows aren't castrated the way American ones are, like G.I. Joe, where no one ever got shot. It is also very visually dynamic, as someone said earlier. The Matrix was directly inspired by action anime.

Anime is also no different from American comics in its typical depiction of the female form. Yes, there are more extreme forms of anime (hentai), but there are also adult comics here in the U.S.

Speaking of comics, anime is frequently based on Japanese comics, manga. Manga is FAR more diverse than American comics are, these days. Slam Dunk! is one of my favorite anime shows, based on a high school basketball team. Understand that I have zero interest in sports or basketball. But this show really has managed to capture drama, humor, and action of a sports team, because the creator understands that there's a lot more sports than winning or losing (which is what many sports movies are reduced to).

Edit - While I was typing, Xarlen posted a few of the things I just posted. Darn slow fingers!
 
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Chun-tzu said:

Anime is also no different from American comics in its typical depiction of the female form. Yes, there are more extreme forms of anime (hentai), but there are also adult comics here in the U.S.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a tendency to draw female forms quite a bit younger in anime / manga ? Sometimes a bit suspicious...

i'm no expert, so please do correct if I'm wrong.
 

I like anime for being an attractive medium in which the following stories have been told...

Lain
Noir
Read or Die
Slayers (the Claire Bible storyline)
Boogiepop Phantom
Cowboy Bebop
Bubblegum Crisis 2044 (but not the others)

...and numerous others.

I certainly don't consider it a sacred medium, however. There is literally a ton of crap that I'm unwilling to watch. But I'm glad I saw the above stories, and I'll continue to watch anime as long as stories of that calibre continue to be told in that medium.
 

I've just gotten into anime in the past year.

The art and music is frequently very good- definitely better than the vast majority of American cartoons currently made today.

The storylines, while sometimes somewhat trite, are usually approached in a new way. Not to mention that looking at everything else on TV today, even the worst anime (of what I watch, not the afternoon cartoon-anime) has more meaning and message.

Animes are willing to go deeper into character development, and grittier. They put in genuine surprises of the sort that books, movies, and tv's of late have rarely provided.

animate Batman was so cool, arguably, because it was more like an American anime in some ways than like a conventional cartoon. Looking at mainstream cartoons today, you see that nothing like that is currently made.

I think part of the secret is that anime is not a genre, its a type of audio-visual entertainment. I only like certain genres of anime.

Of course, some anime is really annoying. It uses a japanese filtern on emotions and interactions that are sometimes difficult to understand. Where that's a problem, I watch something else.

Trigun good.
 
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Numion said:


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a tendency to draw female forms quite a bit younger in anime / manga ? Sometimes a bit suspicious...

i'm no expert, so please do correct if I'm wrong.

I remember seeing a show about Anime that explained this as being because Japanese Women usually look a lot younger than they are.
 

Something that seems to have been critically overlooked in this thread is that anime is not only popular with boys, but also with girls. Seriously. I mean, you can be wandering through the video store and watch teenage girls converge on the anime section (or on the manga book rack nearby), looking for the latest release of one of the series targeted at — you guessed it — young female viewers and readers. Sure, you have creepy guys watching Sailor Moon because they like the thought of schoolgirls in short skirts, but the show itself wasn't aimed at that demographic, even by the Western studios that imported and translated it.

Because comic books and animation just plain aren't seen as "kids only" stuff in Japan, manga and anime as media are able to explore genre combinations (and turn a huge profit!) that the average American would never think of as appropriate subject material for a "cartoon." This is probably why some of the most infamous stuff is the pornographic material — it had early market penetration in the US, was unlike most anything America was offering at the time, and was certainly memorable. To some people, though, their first exposure to the stuff formed a first impression they could never get past — "Anime? Oh yeah, that pervert stuff from Japan." It's understandable how a person could get to thinking that way, particularly as the sort of bootleg dealers that hang out at conventions prefer to show the hardcore stuff, but I imagine it became quite a surprise once the other genres started filtering into our video stores.

I don't think you can cite any one particular reason as why anime has gotten as popular as it is —_some aspects sell to the nostalgic folks who discovered this in their youth (Robotech), some to young kids who like the shows and their tie-in products (Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh), some to teenage girls who like being targeted with romantic fantasy in settings more outlandish than Hollywood is willing to chance (Fushigi Yugi), some to younger boys who like over-the-top battles (Dragonball). The hardcore anime buffs may appreciate multiple genres for all of the above reasons, but I don't think there are that many people who thinks that all anime is great just because it's anime. I mean, do you honestly know anyone who thinks that all American comic books are great just because they're American comic books?

Studios and TV networks like it, though; it's a lot cheaper to obtain the rights to an anime show and pay for translation and dubbing than it is to fund a show that's animated from scratch. So expect the trend of importing to continue; it's pretty durn profitable if you can find the right show.
 

Barastrondo said:
Something that seems to have been critically overlooked in this thread is that anime is not only popular with boys, but also with girls. Seriously. I mean, you can be wandering through the video store and watch teenage girls converge on the anime section (or on the manga book rack nearby), looking for the latest release of one of the series targeted at — you guessed it — young female viewers and readers. Sure, you have creepy guys watching Sailor Moon because they like the thought of schoolgirls in short skirts, but the show itself wasn't aimed at that demographic, even by the Western studios that imported and translated it.

Another thing just as overlooked is that not all Girls who enjoy Anime watch Sailor Moon and the like. I've met plenty of girls who like stuff like Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion and such but hate Sailor Moon with a passion.
 

I think a problem here is that you are lumping Anime into a genre. This isn't like asking why people like Space Fantasy movies, it's like asking why people like movies. Do you not like Hentai, do you not like fantasy anime, do you not like science fiction anime, or drama anime, children's anime, romance anime? I could go on and on. I like action movies, whether they are animated or not, I like science fiction, being animated has little to do with it. What first drew me to anime was the fact that they do stuff on a scale that is not possible in live action. They did battle scenes much larger than Helm's Deep decades ago with anime, they did detailed science fiction for years, You still don't see alot of detailed science fiction in live action (how many sci fi movies take place indoors or on just a couple of sets.) I also like the fact that anime isn't held down by silly political correct crap or the whole it's for kids bit, in the GI Joe cartoon everybody had a gun and nobody ever got shot...... give me a break. If American cartoons were more realistic I'd love them too (the original Jonny Quest cartoon is my all time favorite). Saying I think DragonBall Z is bad so anime is bad is like saying Battlefield Earth was a bad movie therefore all movies are bad. There is as much anime out there as there is American live action shows and it is just as diverse. There are cultural differences but I'm sure to alot of people worldwide American movies make little sense, heck alot of American movies make little sense to Ameriacans.

You will never get a decent answer to this, it's like asking why do people like music, it's too vague and generalized to get a definate answer. Not to mention that Everybody likes different things, thats just part of life, just because you don't like something that doesn't make it bad, it's all about personal opinion and taste, and those things differ from person to person.
 
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Numion said:


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a tendency to draw female forms quite a bit younger in anime / manga ? Sometimes a bit suspicious...

i'm no expert, so please do correct if I'm wrong.

A lot of anime shows do feature children, young teens, and teens. In some of the shows with teens, the females are pretty, um, impressive. Again, I'd point to American comics featuring teens, like Teen Titans and Legion of Super-Heroes. Many of the female characters have quite impressive figures.
 

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