Level Up (A5E) Pact of the Blade past level 5

[Steampunkette]

I eagerly await!

If I had been building this character from scratch I probably would have picked eldritch gunslinger, I love hellboy!
However we had been playing pf2e and switched over, i was a gunslinger sniper and wanted to keep using my rifle so that knocked eldritch gunslinger out of contention.

Yeeeeah... about that.

Light or heavy one-handed firearm, or light or heavy two-handed firearm. But it must have a revolving/repeating function (Like a Winchester 30-30 lever action). But it can only have 6 rounds at a time.

Scope is an attachment that turns it into a sniper rifle with the "Precision" trait (Roll damage twice, take the higher value).

 

[Steampunkette]

Also, @Verall:

So, y'know... Gunslinger/Warlock with Eldritch Gunslinger could be cool...

Or maybe I just need to make a magic-using Gunslinger Archetype...

 

[Verall]

Also, @Verall:

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So, y'know... Gunslinger/Warlock with Eldritch Gunslinger could be cool...

Or maybe I just need to make a magic-using Gunslinger Archetype...

Magic using gunslinger would be ideal, or give the gunslinger an optional rule that lets you substitute fighter levels for gunslinger levels for synergy feats so you could multi into wizard and get eldritch archer

 

[Steampunkette]

Magic using gunslinger would be ideal, or give the gunslinger an optional rule that lets you substitute fighter levels for gunslinger levels for synergy feats so you could multi into wizard and get eldritch archer

I'll probably just toss out a magic gunslinger archetype for Sunset Riders.

I'll work on it tomorrow, though. And I'll send you a copy of the Gunslinger and the Magic Gunslinger Archetype option in a DM or something when it's finished, since it's kinda what you need for your game. Gimme a couple days, tops!

 

[Anonymous3]

To me it's quite clear:

• you have 1 melee attack
• thirsting blade allows you to make 2 melee attacks with the pact weapon on your attack action
• you can swap 1 melee attack for a scythe attack
• once you have Extra Blast you can use scythe more than once per turn, but only if you didn't make melee attacks, otherwise you fall back to the previous point

Here is where I disagree but input from actual designers would be useful: Extra Blast counts as having Extra attacks when qualifying for feats, spells etc. That etc could include also making more than one off-hand attack, but this hasn't been clarified yet

I agree, again unless the weapon has some interesting property that does not carry over the Scythe, like a Vorpal's sword decapitation effect, a Holy Avenger's antimagic aura, etc. In that case you might want to just attack with the actual weapon instead of using the Scythe

Thanks.
For clarity, a level 17 warlock using Thirsting Blade and Eldritch Scythe has these options for melee attacks:

1. Two attacks using Eldritch Scythe; OR
2. One Pact of the blade attack and one Eldritch Scythe; OR
3. Two Pact of the blade attacks; OR
4. Using Two Weapon Fighting: One Pact of the blade attack and one off-hand attack and one Eldritch Scythe attack (three total).

Is this correct?

 

[Verall]

Thanks.
For clarity, a level 17 warlock using Thirsting Blade and Eldritch Scythe has these options for melee attacks:

1. Two attacks using Eldritch Scythe; OR
2. One Pact of the blade attack and one Eldritch Scythe; OR
3. Two Pact of the blade attacks; OR
4. Using Two Weapon Fighting: One Pact of the blade attack and one off-hand attack and one Eldritch Scythe attack (three total).

Is this correct?

4. Is wrong

You could use two weapon fighting with options 2. or 3. and make 2 off hand attacks

1. is also wrong, at lvl 17 it would be 4 attacks with Eldritch Scythe

 

[Steampunkette]

Thanks.
For clarity, a level 17 warlock using Thirsting Blade and Eldritch Scythe has these options for melee attacks:

1. Two attacks using Eldritch Scythe; OR
2. One Pact of the blade attack and one Eldritch Scythe; OR
3. Two Pact of the blade attacks; OR
4. Using Two Weapon Fighting: One Pact of the blade attack and one off-hand attack and one Eldritch Scythe attack (three total).

Is this correct?

1. Eldritch Scythe swings 4 times. (4 attacks)
2. One Pact Weapon, One Scythe, up to 2 off-hand attacks if your weapon isn't heavy and you have an off-hand weapon. (4 attacks)
3. Two Pact Weapon, up to 2 off-hand attacks if your weapon isn't heavy and you have an off-hand weapon. (4 attacks)

Four attacks no matter how you slice it, though I think the Eldritch Scythe is almost always going to slice best.

 

[Anonymous3]

This is confusing.

These answers seem counter to @lichmaster 's position.

To me it's quite clear:

• you have 1 melee attack
• thirsting blade allows you to make 2 melee attacks with the pact weapon on your attack action
• you can swap 1 melee attack for a scythe attack
• once you have Extra Blast you can use scythe more than once per turn, but only if you didn't make melee attacks, otherwise you fall back to the previous point

Extra blast counts as having extra attack for the purpose of qualifying to feats, etc, but it specifies that it only allows you to make multiple blast attacks.
Thirsting blade specifies that you can attack twice, instead of once, with the pact weapon as a melee attack.
So it looks like the Warlock cannot make more than 2 melee attacks with the attack action, and eventually other 2 for the off hand bonus attack (thanks to the fact that it counts as having extra attack due to extra blast).

Do you guys agree with Lichmaster?

Extra Blast​

Beginning at 5th level, your Eldritch Blast becomes more vicious. When you use Eldritch Ray, Eldritch Scythe, or Eldritch Whip as part of your action on your turn, as long as you make no weapon attacks you can attack twice instead of once. At 11th level you can make three attacks, and at 17th level you can make four attack

Eldritch Scythe​

Once per turn when you would make a melee weapon attack as part of the Attack action or an opportunity attack, you can instead make a melee spell attack, lashing out with an ephemeral and unearthly blade. On hit, the target takes 1d8 force damage. In addition, you can choose a different creature that you can see and that is within your reach. It takes half as much damage.

My reading of Eldritch Scythe (which may very well be incorrect) is that it requires a melee weapon attack which is then "transformed" into an Eldritch Scythe attack (if the warlock so desires). Otherwise, why use that wording. With the way its being interpreted why would a warlock need a weapon at all (to use Eldritch Scythe attacks) - why not just carry a tiny needle or just use their hand?

 

[Verall]

This is confusing.

These answers seem counter to @lichmaster 's position.


Do you guys agree with Lichmaster?

The sections you have quoted don’t look to be in conflict with steampunkette or myself, yes I agree with the quoted section.

Could you clarify what part you’re having trouble with?

 

[Anonymous3]

The sections you have quoted don’t look to be in conflict with steampunkette or myself, yes I agree with the quoted section.

Could you clarify what part you’re having trouble with?

Sorry, I updated my post while you were replying. Please read my post again.