D&D 4E Paizo and 4e.

[dmccoy1693]

What about Favored Souls (a perennial ENWorld favorite)? Scouts? Numerous other classes that WotC has added to the mix? None of these will be in the 1st 4e PH. Many will be looking to play their old classes in the new edition.

True, but the thing is is that Favored Souls, Scouts, Shadowcasters, Warlocks, Ninjas and so on are suppose to be much less common then Bards, Sorcerers, and Druids. By promoting the Warlock to PHB1, WotC is assuming a setting where making a pact with an infernal being is alot more common then playing a lute. That doesn't seem right to me. Yea, WotC isn't FORCING a world where that's the default, but remember, all you're suppose to need to play the game is the 3 books and your imagination.

The thing is is that I want to love 4E. I want 4E to be a great edition. I think its a little soon, but hey, I am not the one that makes those choices. But a world that assumes infernal pacts are not uncommon is not a world that I want to play in. A world where infernal pacts happen and they are occassional sidekicks to the BBG, sure. but not when they are highly intricate part of the setting.

So in the end, I'm not going to upgrade. What I have now works for my group. And if Paizo puts out more 3.5 products, I'm there. If they put out products for a system that is reasonably compatable, I'll use them. If they come out with their own RPG, I'll probably have a 2nd game.

 

[Piratecat]

Thanks for apologizing, Twowolves.

Carmachu, if you want to discuss something a moderator says, please drop them an email instead of discussing it in the thread. That's one of our rules; it helps keeps threads focused.

 

[Caliber]

I really like Paizo's stuff, but I guess not nearly as much as the majority here. Can I really be the only guy who stopped his Pathfinder subscription because I don't need any more 3.5 stuff with 4 coming out? As is I could play for years with the 3.5 stuff I have, and since my group likely won't spend too long before switching to 4, getting even more just seems like ... well a waste.

Once Paizo switches to 4 (as I believe they will eventually) a Pathfinder subscription will be back and running.

 

[tsadkiel]

By promoting the Warlock to PHB1, WotC is assuming a setting where making a pact with an infernal being is alot more common then playing a lute.

I'd say they're assuming a setting where making a pact with an infernal being is more common than gaining magical powers by playing a lute. Story-wise, bards are more than a little odd.

(Mind you, I'm about a million times more likely to play a bard than a warlock, but they're still not the only musicians in the world.)

 

[Wolfspider]

I really like Paizo's stuff, but I guess not nearly as much as the majority here. Can I really be the only guy who stopped his Pathfinder subscription because I don't need any more 3.5 stuff with 4 coming out? As is I could play for years with the 3.5 stuff I have, and since my group likely won't spend too long before switching to 4, getting even more just seems like ... well a waste.

It could be a matter of loyalty to the company. A lot of posters here seem to really like the company and the way it has treated both the D&D/World of Greyhawk and d20 in general. To be honest, the announcement that 4e was coming has hurt Paizo; many people, such as yourself, have dropped the 3.5e in anticipation of 4e. I wouldn't be surprised if some diehards keep their subscriptions to Pathfinder going even if they do plan on switching to 4e.

Why punish a good company for bad fortune? Continuing to support 3.5 Pathfinder helps assure that there will be a 4e version when the time comes, after all....

 

[Wolfspider]

I'd say they're assuming a setting where making a pact with an infernal being is more common than gaining magical powers by playing a lute. Story-wise, bards are more than a little odd.

The ability to use music and song to weave magic is quite ancient and the basis of many myths. I'd say that it is just as common a theme in fantastical literature and stories as selling your soul or making a pact for power.

 

[Dragonblade]

I really like Paizo's stuff, but I guess not nearly as much as the majority here. Can I really be the only guy who stopped his Pathfinder subscription because I don't need any more 3.5 stuff with 4 coming out? As is I could play for years with the 3.5 stuff I have, and since my group likely won't spend too long before switching to 4, getting even more just seems like ... well a waste.

Once Paizo switches to 4 (as I believe they will eventually) a Pathfinder subscription will be back and running.

This is where I am. After the first run of Pathfinder finishes, I'm cancelling. I have enough 3.5 stuff to last me through the release of 4e. Once Paizo starts supporting 4e, I'll start buying their products again. This is purely an economic decision. I'm going to 4e and I can't justify spending 17 bucks a month on a 3.5 adventure that I'll never run once 4e comes out.

 

[RigaMortus2]

True, but the thing is is that Favored Souls, Scouts, Shadowcasters, Warlocks, Ninjas and so on are suppose to be much less common then Bards, Sorcerers, and Druids. By promoting the Warlock to PHB1, WotC is assuming a setting where making a pact with an infernal being is alot more common then playing a lute. That doesn't seem right to me. Yea, WotC isn't FORCING a world where that's the default, but remember, all you're suppose to need to play the game is the 3 books and your imagination.

I don't think it is suggesting that at all. You can have person that plays a lute in your campaign. You can even call it a Bard if you want. They can outnumber Warlocks 1,000 to 1. They are just not (or no longer) typical adventurers (at least until later PHBs), thus there aren't currently rules for PCs to play one.

And demons/devils/fiends have LONG been part of the MM. It stands to reason there are people out there that summon them and make pacts with them. Now they are just hard coded in the rules. And as you mentioned, if that doesn't fit your vision, then ban the class (but be sure to let your players know).

 

[Shroomy]

Are 3.5e warlocks more popular than 3.5e bards? Hard to say, but based on anecdotal evidence, I would probably say yes (and I love bards!).

 

[Rauol_Duke]

To be honest, the announcement that 4e was coming has hurt Paizo; many people, such as yourself, have dropped the 3.5e in anticipation of 4e.

Trying to keep this thread focused (on Paizo and 4E), is this really true? Have they said as much? Are sales of Pathfinder and GameMastery Modules rising, holding steady or falling since GenCon?

What's the scoop, Wolfspider?