James Jacobs
Adventurer
Ranger REG said:
Nope; it's going to focus on swords & sorcery style RPG material.
Pathfinder 1E Paizo no longer publishing Dungeon and Dragon
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Nope; it's going to focus on swords & sorcery style RPG material.
takasi
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I have another question for Paizo while they're on here.
Does this news have anything to do with your recent disappearance from conventions?
Specifically, I don't see you on the list for KublaCon this year. Last year I picked up a bunch of cool stuff from you guys, like the D&D shot glass (my official dice cup) and my official Dungeon T-Shirt. Which brings up another question: are you still allowed to sell those items?
Does this news have anything to do with your recent disappearance from conventions?
Specifically, I don't see you on the list for KublaCon this year. Last year I picked up a bunch of cool stuff from you guys, like the D&D shot glass (my official dice cup) and my official Dungeon T-Shirt. Which brings up another question: are you still allowed to sell those items?
JoeGKushner
Adventurer
JoshuaFrost said:
I'm not trying to sound stupid or anything but...
1. You've had special online items only (miniatures including a dragon and skeletons with worms in 'em for the Age of Worms.)
2. It's MUCH cheaper to subscribe and you get a bonus in the form of the PDF.
I can see why you'd want to support the FLGS but at the same time it seems like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. (Many companies have these patterns as Rackahm encourages you to order from your FLSG but not only has online exclusive miniatures, but has miniatures you can only get with Dragon Gems, little 'points' you get for ordering online.)
Nightfall
Sage of the Scarred Lands
Tak,
Online journalism is a dead medium. That's why Blogging has taken over and Wikipedia is an information source.
Shadey,
Yeah this more or else confirms what I believed for a while now. The management at WotC only cares about carving out dollars more than they do quality.
Beckett,
I feel you man.
Online journalism is a dead medium. That's why Blogging has taken over and Wikipedia is an information source.
Shadey,
Yeah this more or else confirms what I believed for a while now. The management at WotC only cares about carving out dollars more than they do quality.
Beckett,
I feel you man.
takasi
First Post
JoeGKushner said:
Yeah, not to bash Paizo personally or anything, but the owner of one of our FLGS (the oldest in town, which just closed down last December) hated them for their online store. He thought it was a slap in the face for Dragon and Dungeon magazines to be connected with Paizo. Especially when they had one issue a while back that had a large section dedicated to all the stuff they had on sale.
Kind of ironic that their biggest property is being taken away and replaced with online content...
JoshuaFrost
First Post
JoeGKushner said:
You don't, by any means, sound stupid. These are all good questions.
Let me give you one specific example of where we listened to the FLGS:
When we released the Savage Tide Player's Guide is was a convention and online exclusive. The hobby channel said, "hey, we'd like some of that!" and we thought, "damn, we're pretty stupid for not giving it to them." So with Pathfinder, we created a Player's Guide 5-Pack for $10 and are selling it everywhere Pathfinder is sold.
It would be a lie to say we were not, in some cases, trying to have our cake and eat it to. I can assure you that, moving forward with the GameMastery and Pathfinder brands, we have promotional stuff to offer all levels of our distribution chain and not just conventions and online sales.
I can even go back a little further to the Campaign Workbook--we ran a FLGS only contest for pre-orders and I'll be sending a $500 gift card in the next few weeks to the lucky store that won.
This doesn't mean we won't do promotions in the book channel, but we have ideas for promotions everywhere to encourage people to buy their books locally first. Heck, everyone of our ads says that the product can be bought at your FLGS or online at paizo.com.
As for Pathfinder, factor in shipping to most locations, and you're getting pretty much the same thing from your FLGS. (Though, we do throw in a free PDF--subs are guaranteed sales every single month, we'd be crazy not to shoot for them.)
Let me know if I missed something in my response and I'd be happy to discuss it.
Mike Selinker
Explorer
a massively biased opinion
I posted this on the Paizo boards, but Joshua suggested I post here. Despite working on D&D for two decades, it's actually my first post on ENWorld, so be gentle. :^)
When I heard about Dragon and Dungeon going away, I was pretty bummed out. I've been a reader since The Dragon #27, and my icon is a portrait that Stan! drew for a Dragon piece we did on fantasy movies. Dragon was where I wrote the first of my three gaming adaptations of Stonehenge (the other two being Risk Godstorm and the upcoming Stonehenge board game), and Dungeon let me turn my three favorite Shakespeare plays into D&D adventures. As our big team at WotC R&D put together 3rd Edition, I got to watch the magazines morph and grow into something new. I'd seen every transition the magazines had made, and didn't much like what the last transition would be.
But in the last nine months or so, I've gotten to see Paizo from the inside, as I've helped them launch the Titanic Games board game line. And well before this transition, Lisa and her crew were thinking about the future of Paizo. They'd launched a strong online store, and put out some solid game books and accessories. And what I saw was a company that was about to turn all the skills it gained kicking out magazines into a full-fledged entertainment company.
I've seen the Pathfinder line, and it's gorgeous. I've seen what's in Erik's fiction-packed brain regarding Planet Stories, and the gleam in his eye is the same one I had when I got to get all my favorite comics artists to work on my Marvel games. And I've had everybody at Paizo--everybody--hovering over my shoulder on the board game plans, contributing idea after idea. Stonehenge wouldn't be what it will be without Vic, Jason, Joshua, Jeremy, Sean, Jeff, Phil, Erik and the rest of the Paizo folks playtesting, critiquing and writing board game material. And I listen, because they really know what they're talking about. They've come a long way from just being a magazine company.
I've seen a lot of the things on the schedule for Paizo in the next months, and I'm here to tell you that there's a decent chance you'll like it all. Anyway, it'll be worth your time to check it out. Thanks for listening.
Mike
I posted this on the Paizo boards, but Joshua suggested I post here. Despite working on D&D for two decades, it's actually my first post on ENWorld, so be gentle. :^)
When I heard about Dragon and Dungeon going away, I was pretty bummed out. I've been a reader since The Dragon #27, and my icon is a portrait that Stan! drew for a Dragon piece we did on fantasy movies. Dragon was where I wrote the first of my three gaming adaptations of Stonehenge (the other two being Risk Godstorm and the upcoming Stonehenge board game), and Dungeon let me turn my three favorite Shakespeare plays into D&D adventures. As our big team at WotC R&D put together 3rd Edition, I got to watch the magazines morph and grow into something new. I'd seen every transition the magazines had made, and didn't much like what the last transition would be.
But in the last nine months or so, I've gotten to see Paizo from the inside, as I've helped them launch the Titanic Games board game line. And well before this transition, Lisa and her crew were thinking about the future of Paizo. They'd launched a strong online store, and put out some solid game books and accessories. And what I saw was a company that was about to turn all the skills it gained kicking out magazines into a full-fledged entertainment company.
I've seen the Pathfinder line, and it's gorgeous. I've seen what's in Erik's fiction-packed brain regarding Planet Stories, and the gleam in his eye is the same one I had when I got to get all my favorite comics artists to work on my Marvel games. And I've had everybody at Paizo--everybody--hovering over my shoulder on the board game plans, contributing idea after idea. Stonehenge wouldn't be what it will be without Vic, Jason, Joshua, Jeremy, Sean, Jeff, Phil, Erik and the rest of the Paizo folks playtesting, critiquing and writing board game material. And I listen, because they really know what they're talking about. They've come a long way from just being a magazine company.
I've seen a lot of the things on the schedule for Paizo in the next months, and I'm here to tell you that there's a decent chance you'll like it all. Anyway, it'll be worth your time to check it out. Thanks for listening.
Mike
JoeGKushner
Adventurer
Erekose13 said:
The idea of that is cool, but this isn't an electronic publication and that will eat into the page count. I'd rather have new stuff that stuff I already have, even if it's cool.
Philotomy Jurament
First Post
Will Pathfinder be sold through Amazon?
JoshuaFrost
First Post
takasi said:
The majority of our customer base doesn't have access to a bookstore, a FLGS, or lives overseas and orders from us because the weak US dollar makes our prices+shipping less expensive than their local stores. We also don't deep discount (like a lot of online shops do) and specifically don't do this because we feel the hobby channel is viable and important.
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