Pathfinder 1E Paizo no longer publishing Dungeon and Dragon

[Nightfall]

Danny,

I'm saying it will depend on both sides to make it work in my book. But that's just me.

 

[Agamon]

It's a possibility.

Access: There are several posters on ENWorld who have lamented the lack of the mags (and other products) on the shelves of their FLGS, or for whom their country's tariffs or even simply shipping distance make the print mags & products extremely expensive.

In some countries, it may not even be legal to import (though I'm not aware of any), and even if the country has the resources to block websites, e-content would still be easier to gain access to than physical print.

I won't disagree it's a possibility. Just a very unlikely one, to me. Your examples are good, but I have a couple, too. Imprisioned convicts and overseas military people are a siginificant base of the print readership that will have limited to no access to the DI. I'm thinking those numbers are larger than the numbers of those affected by your examples.

I don't know how many languages the mags are/were printed in, but it surely isn't all of them. I do know that it's easier & cheaper to get web pages and electronic content translated than a particular print magazine. (Issues of translation accuracy, however, remain in favor of printed forms done by professionals.)

This is a good point, but I have a funny feeling the DI won't be available in a whole lot of different languages. And doing the translating yourself is either very expensive or a joke (I'm somewhat fluent in French, but not always enough to read French websites. Babelfish does a humorously entertaining job with it's translations).

Awareness: That depends entirely upon the efforts WotC takes to make online gamers aware of their online magazines.

This is true. There was only one place I can think of that had a whole lot of WotC advertising. Ironically, they just put the kabosh on it. :\

Edit: Ah, online advertising. Yeah, that's true. They haven't done a lot of that historically, though. I guess we'll see.

 

[Nightfall]

No..!! This last post is mine!!! All mine!

 

[Maggan]

1. Regardless of locale, a paper magazine will eventually get to its subscriber. The same can't be said for internet access.

Unfortunately for me, and several people in Europe, I had to cancel my Dragon subscription from Paizo, simply because they couldn't get the magazines to me. At all.

It was resolved ok, and I got my money back, but subscribing from Europe was a very disappointing experience. I'll be more guaranteed to get my D&D content in online form.

/M

 

[Nightfall]

Still mine!!! All mine!

 

[Yair]

I hardly purchase D&D products these days, and haven't purchased either magazine in years. Still, I'll miss them. I still save the old Dragon maganizes I have back from 2nd Edition, and it seemed to me (as an outsider) that the new magazines were putting out quality stuff. I'm playing their Shackled City campaign right now, and it's great.

Pathfinder seems very interesting. Too expensive and not really relevant for me, though. I expect to finish SC in about a year. At that point I'd be looking for a new adventure path, but not before. And I suspect Pathfinder will be too expensive for me.

Wizard's Digital Initiative seems utterly useless to me. I don't want to pay for D&D content, I don't really need any of it right now - just the core books and SC will suffice for the next year. I don't need them to keep track of my characters, thank you. Character generation would not be too attractive as I use house rules and the free PCGen does it for free. I have zero interest in playing online.

 

[trancejeremy]

I'm speculating here, but I think it's a good bet the subscription to WotC's DI will be lower than the total Dragon/Dungeon subscriptions, and I'll even go as far to guess that it'll be by a wide margin. As small of a percentage of the gaming populous that read the mags is, this online thing is going to pretty radical for a massive percentage of gamers. If I'm correct, then they are dismissing the majority.

I'm almost certain you are correct. I remember back when the d20 business was booming, or at least okay, and I approached just about every d20 publisher about review copies. The ones that actually bothered to say no (most just ignored me) said they only provided review copies to print magazines, because the readership was much higher than online.

Which is likely true - RPG.net, which I have something like 120 reviews on, keeps track of page views. My top review is something like 7000 impressions, and the average is 1500 or so (still enough to send me a review copy, I think, despite what they said ). And RPG.net is probably the most well known RPG review site on the 'net.

Look at ENWorld. It's the biggest d20 site around, with possible exception of WOTC's site itself, and it has 50,000 members. Which is only slightly more than about how many actually read Dragon/Dungeon (which was around 43,000? Something like that).

 

[3catcircus]

Unfortunately for me, and several people in Europe, I had to cancel my Dragon subscription from Paizo, simply because they couldn't get the magazines to me. At all.

It was resolved ok, and I got my money back, but subscribing from Europe was a very disappointing experience. I'll be more guaranteed to get my D&D content in online form.

/M

Ok, maybe there are *some* locales. I have to assume, though, that you live in a very remote location? I just can't believe that someone living in a big city *anywhere* in the world would have problems. I regularly get mail from my membership in the Imperial Club in Tokyo. The mail gets sent through Singapore and eventually gets to me in New Jersey. I regularly send work mail to Adelaide Australia, Japan, and South Korea.

 

[Maggan]

Ok, maybe there are *some* locales. I have to assume, though, that you live in a very remote location?

Stockholm. Capital of Sweden.

EDIT: of course. There seems to be some guy swiping a lot of the Dungeons and Dragons going to Europe. Paizo kept sending them, and they didn't arrive, so I assume they got stolen on the way.

/M

 

[crazy_cat]

Stockholm. Capital of Sweden.

EDIT: of course. There seems to be some guy swiping a lot of the Dungeons and Dragons going to Europe. Paizo kept sending them, and they didn't arrive, so I assume they got stolen on the way.

/M

I think the problems in part lay with TPFG - Paizos distribution partners in the UK who handle all subscription copies of Dragon and Dungeon for Europe and the UK.

I had alot of problems with my subscription copies getting lost or being delivered late (and I live about an hours drive from TPFGs offices) but they seem to have resolved most of the issues now - just in time for the magazines to be cancelled