Pathfinder 2E Paizo Officially Supporting Foundry, Free Content Ending

Retreater

Legend
I'm linking this blog post from the Paizo site that's getting nothing but positive feedback from the Paizo fans, but I think there's some real criticism to be made. The previous way we would access content on Foundry would be to legally purchase the PDF from Paizo, and a fan-made module would upload maps with dynamic lighting, journal entries, art, NPC and monster stats, etc.
Now the marketing team at Paizo is putting a spin on it that this module is no longer going to be supported and that you'll have to purchase premium digital assets from Paizo to do what you used to get for free with the purchase of a PDF. It seems to add no extra value, and customers will have to re-purchase things they have already bought to use with the PDF Importer.
This is anti-fan and probably a start of things to come as can begin shutting down other PF2 fan content (Archives of Nethys, Pathbuilder, etc.) to encourage other digital subscriptions (Nexus?)


Edit: I'm changing the title of the thread now that I know FryGuy was ending his work by choice.
 
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Retreater

Legend
Where does it say the fan project is being halted?
In the FAQ.

What Does This Mean For The PDF to Foundry Module?​

Foundry VTT staff have been in FryGuy's corner from the very moment we approved PDFtoFoundry, and like many of you we were saddened to hear about his decision to step back from adding new content to it. However, we are also in the rare position of understanding just how much effort it requires to do the kind of conversion he was doing by hand on a monthly basis.

With the knowledge that official conversions were coming for Pathfinder Second Edition content, we took the time to ask Fryguy what his plans for PDFtoFoundry are, so we’ll let him tell you in his own words:

PDF to Foundry was, and always has been, a temporary solution in my mind. Due to how it works, it is practically impossible to be as high quality as something that has been adapted for a virtual tabletop directly. If you've seen the quality of the journal entries that are in the premium Foundry VTT content, I'm sure you'll agree. I only intended to add adventures to PDF to Foundry until they were sold on the FVTT marketplace. And now that they are being released, it means that I can stop updating it.
Honestly, I'm relieved by this announcement. Keeping PDF to Foundry up to date has been pretty stressful lately, especially when I fall behind the AP release dates. I've put off working on the PF2e system to instead add content to PDF to Foundry. Not having to maintain PDF to Foundry means I can focus more on the core PF2e system and let better qualified people make amazing conversions of Adventure Paths. I think that this arrangement will be better for everyone.
 


Retreater

Legend
Sounds like he’s pretty happy about it.
Yes, it seems like it was a lot of work for him to maintain it, and apparently it was something that he was planning to stop doing anyway.
But I'll tell ya, I'm not happy about the development as someone who just started a PF2 game on Foundry partly because of this module being available.
And it's frustrating to see nothing but celebration about this from fans on the official site (and YouTube). Even if it's a positive thing for the guy developing it that he can step away, I don't want to cheer about having to re-purchase things from Paizo and spend a premium for (what I consider) little added benefit. I will never use soundtracks. I don't care that the maps will be in higher-definition (they're on a little monitor anyway).
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Yes, it seems like it was a lot of work for him to maintain it, and apparently it was something that he was planning to stop doing anyway.
But I'll tell ya, I'm not happy about the development as someone who just started a PF2 game on Foundry partly because of this module being available.
And it's frustrating to see nothing but celebration about this from fans on the official site (and YouTube). Even if it's a positive thing for the guy developing it that he can step away, I don't want to cheer about having to re-purchase things from Paizo and spend a premium for (what I consider) little added benefit. I will never use soundtracks. I don't care that the maps will be in higher-definition (they're on a little monitor anyway).
What’s the alternative? Forcing the poor guy to keep doing it for free? He clearly doesn’t want to. I’m not really seeing the issue here, except that you won’t be getting free labour any more.
 

Retreater

Legend
What’s the alternative? Forcing the poor guy to keep doing it for free? He clearly doesn’t want to. I’m not really seeing the issue here, except that you won’t be getting free labour any more.
Not celebrating the increased costs as a positive development, happy to throw money for stuff we were getting for free?
I'm not entitled to this developer's work, and I applaud him for what he was doing.
And if I decide to purchase a Foundry AP I'll do it begrudgingly, not that I'm really happy that Paizo is selling me something twice. Everywhere else online people are doing dances (like literally a fan on YouTube is dancing) for something we already had for free.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Not celebrating the increased costs as a positive development, happy to throw money for stuff we were getting for free?
I'm not entitled to this developer's work, and I applaud him for what he was doing.
And if I decide to purchase a Foundry AP I'll do it begrudgingly, not that I'm really happy that Paizo is selling me something twice. Everywhere else online people are doing dances (like literally a fan on YouTube is dancing) for something we already had for free.
So you want free labour from Paizo staff instead?
 

JThursby

Adventurer
I'm with Morrus, Fryguy was doing what was essentially a second job to make Foundry content. And it wasn't like it was free, you had to buy the PDFs. Besides, there is no ban on doing what Fryguy was doing, it isn't like this is a case where Paizo is shutting down fan content. Was Archives of Nethys, the entire Pathfinder 2e system and all of PDF to Foundry work insufficient free content? To me it's a frankly rare treasure trove of free value, not nearly the norm.
 

Retreater

Legend
So you want free labour from Paizo staff instead?
No. But I bought the PDFs expecting to use them in Foundry. As long as I get to keep using them like they are now, I'm good. I'm not going to buy them again for Foundry. (Especially after purchasing on PDF, print, and Roll20).
I'm guessing you and I won't see eye-to-eye on this one.
My wife has a similar concern that Wordle will be put behind a paywall now that it's been purchased by NY Times. Good things are made by hobbyists, develop fans, then are bought out by companies who add no value to it.
 

Retreater

Legend
Am I in a parallel universe where we're supposed to celebrate a company re-selling us content? Like I should dance like NoNat?
It's one thing to admit we were spoiled. One thing to admit that things were probably too good to continue like that were. But come on! This isn't good news. It's merely that the good news has ended and we're being hit with what we should expect.
 

Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
@Retreater , think of this as two steps.

1. FryGuy is retiring. There is no more free content.
2. Instead of there no being any source of that content, Paizo will make it (for a cost).

So it's not that it's going from free to at-cost and people are celebrating. It's that it was getting dropped, but instead of no option there will be a high quality option for those who want to pay.
 

Retreater

Legend
@Retreater , think of this as two steps.

1. FryGuy is retiring. There is no more free content.
2. Instead of there no being any source of that content, Paizo will make it (for a cost).

So it's not that it's going from free to at-cost and people are celebrating. It's that it was getting dropped, but instead of no option there will be a high quality option for those who want to pay.
I heard about #2 before I heard about #1, which came right on the heels of the Nexus announcement, Pathbuilder's access ending on Foundry, etc.
But, no, it's not "good" news for players or fans. I'm not going to dance about it.
 

JThursby

Adventurer
Man, this hate on the Foundry support just goes to show there's literally nothing Paizo can do to please some people.

-Paizo doesn't release paid content for Foundry = Paizo ignores Foundry users and is too stupid to make money.
-Paizo does release paid content for Foundry = Paizo is exploiting fans and is too greed for money.
-Paizo sticks with PF1e = Paizo is a one trick pony that can't change with the times.
-Paizo moves on to a 2nd edition = Paizo is abandoning it's core fans.

And so on, with so many issues. Out of all the hate-sinks in this industry, Paizo is perhaps one of the least deserving but most receiving targets.

You do realize nothing is stopping people from doing what Fryguy did right? There was no legal action or backdoor threat that made him step down. That module drove lots of sales towards the AP PDFs so people could use them easily, why would Paizo want it shut down? So people can do literally the same thing again if anyone wants to do more of that work, and in general people can still post their homemade maps and assets and whatnot. And the assertion that you have to re-buy everything is only really true of Abomination vaults. Every other official Foundry adventure has parity with the PDF price. You either get the PDF for free when you buy the Foundry version, or the Foundry version is discounted by the price of the PDF if you already own it. Only reason it doesn't work with AV is because the Foundry version is based on the Anniversary edition.
 


Retreater

Legend
Man, this hate on the Foundry support just goes to show there's literally nothing Paizo can do to please some people.
FWIW, I guess you can take comfort in the fact I'm the only person in the world complaining about this. Others are making dancing reaction videos on YouTube and making kissing noises at Foundry and Paizo. (Not exaggerating... )
Maybe it will be okay, if...
  • Content is available to buy after PDF to Foundry stops working with the newest release of Foundry. I don't want to lose the stuff I'm actively running. If I have to pay a surcharge to get it to work - if I'm already running it - I'll begrudgingly do it. (I'm concerned that they've announced Beginner Box, Abomination Vaults, and the next AP - Alkenstar? The next thing I was planning to run was Troubles in Otari, which might have compatibility problems by the time I get around to running it.)
  • They don't make us pay through the nose for it. And the compendium packs are still available. Speaking of which, what sort of discount are we getting? I just bought Bestiary 2 , is it going to be $59.99 (discounted with the $15 I spent on the PDF)?
I am waiting for the scraping of D&D Beyond to end as well.
DND Beyond is one of the worst pieces of software I've ever used. But that's a hot take for another day.
 

JThursby

Adventurer
If I had to guess, based on previous deals with Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds, the Foundry versions will cost the Hardcover price. That's just speculation, mind you, but that's how they've priced it before for the Adventure Paths.

As for the rulebooks and token art and whatnot, they've already said they're skeptical about reselling their entire catalogue on a platform that has most of the rules content for free under the community use policy. There's no indication that there will even be a way to buy the Bestiaries on Foundry, since everything but the images are in the compendium. If their goal was to just do a lazy cash in on their art assets they would have done that already. IMO they should just let the Foundry team use whatever images are on AoN already for free and call it a day on tokens, especially since PDF to Foundry already has a way to map Bestiary images to tokens.
 

kenada

Legend
Supporter
This is anti-fan and probably a start of things to come as can begin shutting down other PF2 fan content (Archives of Nethys, Pathbuilder, etc.) to encourage other digital subscriptions (Nexus?)
Paizo is one of the most permissive publishers when it comes to the OGL. For them to stop Archives of Nethys from hosting new content, they would have to abandon it for all content going forward. I can’t see that’s happening. That would be a huge change for them and have implications beyond just its affect on the home of the PRD.
 

payn

Legend
Is it that difficult to take the AP PDFs and put the content into Foundry yourself? (Honest question, I'm doing it for Traveller right now myself and find its pretty easy while being a little bit of a time sink)
 

Retreater

Legend
Is it that difficult to take the AP PDFs and put the content into Foundry yourself? (Honest question, I'm doing it for Traveller right now myself and find its pretty easy while being a little bit of a time sink)
It was a nightmare on Roll20 (because it didn't have access to the NPC and monster stat blocks) - if you recall I put Abomination Vaults on there, and probably put in 80ish hours to get the first two books put in.
On Foundry, it wouldn't be as bad, because at least you have access to the monster stats from the compendia. I do think it's more time intensive to create tokens and maps on Foundry than Roll20, but at least you've got stat blocks.
But if it came down to that point, I would just write my own adventures.
Pathfinder is a different beast from Traveller. You have a lot more combat, with more detailed stat blocks, unique magic items that have to be entered, etc.
 

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