Paizo To Make Kingmaker Bestiary... For D&D 5E!

Kingmaker's 10th anniversary is approaching. Paizo has announced on their blog that, along with a Pathfinder 2E hardcover Kingmaker compilation, they will be creating a hardcover Kingmaker Bestiary for D&D 5E.


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The blog announcement says "[FONT=&amp]Finally, we'll add a hardcover Kingmaker Bestiary for 5E, developed in conjunction with industry leaders in third-party 5E publishing, allowing players of the current edition of the world's oldest RPG the chance to experience the rich and detailed storylines that have made the Kingmaker Adventure Path a fan favorite for a decade."[/FONT]

It is being produced "with industry leaders in third-party 5E publishing" and refers to "add-ons and unlocks" which "will be revealed as the campaign progresses". They're partnering with crowdfunding site Game On Tabletop.

They'll be revealing the details on Tuesday May 7th at noon Pacific time over at KingmakerCampaign.com.

Also in line is a Companion Guide for the PF2 Kingmaker campaign.
 
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Rellott

Explorer
Interestingly the Bestiary is not the only 5e conversion they are offering. There is also the "Forest Kingom" add-on, whatever that is.

I would be interested if I could just get the 5e content, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
The Forest Kingdom book was written and published by Legendary Games, the group that’s doing the 5e conversion for the bestiary. They are first and foremost a PF publisher, and it unfortunately shows in their 5e work.
 
The Forest Kingdom book was written and published by Legendary Games, the group that’s doing the 5e conversion for the bestiary. They are first and foremost a PF publisher, and it unfortunately shows in their 5e work.
I backed both the Forest Campaign Compendium and the Pirate one by Legendary Games for 5E and sold them shortly after receiving them. Overall I found them to be just ok. I looked at Kingmaker Bestairy for 5E and thought the cover looked cheesy. It is an easy no for me. Expensive since you have to back the full Kingmaker book plus the 5E bestiary and cheesy looking art.
 

MNblockhead

A Title Much Cooler Than Anything on the Old Site
I guess I'm spoiled by Kobold Press and Frog God Games Kickstarters. I just do not see the value here and the risk seems high given their track record. If it ever makes it to my FLGS shelves, I'll take a look at it, but I'm going to pass on backing the crowdfunding effort.

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I'm going to retract what I wrote above. For two large hard-cover books, plus the PDFs, it is not a bad deal. Also, by buying the PDFs, I if these become available in Fantasy Grounds or RealmWorks, I could get those version with the PDF cost discounted--though I'm not sure how that works if I buy from crowdfunding, I'm guessing fulfillment will be from the Paizo online store.

But I have some questions I'm hoping those of you familiar with Paizo products can help answer:

Would the pathfinder stat blocks in the campaign setting and adventure books themselves, or would you need the Pathfinder beasteries? In other words, is the 5e Kingmaker Beastery an extra cost for 5e players or is it actually a deal, because Pathfinder players would need to own multiple PF beasteries?

Having the monster and npc stats for 5e is all well in good, but what about skill checks and other mechanics that apply to the non-combat aspects of the game? How easy is it to determine appropriate DC values for picking locks, finding secret doors, etc.?

I'm also concerned about whether they'll put on the work to make sure the npcs and monsters are balanced for 5e, so that the difficulty in 5e is comparable to what it would be in Pathfinder.
 
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mach1.9pants

Adventurer
I guess I'm spoiled by Kobold Press and Frog God Games Kickstarters. I just do not see the value here and the risk seems high given their track record. If it ever makes it to my FLGS shelves, I'll take a look at it, but I'm going to pass on backing the crowdfunding effort.
'track record'? This is Paizo's first crowd funding effort, the previous ones were by (admittedly endorsed) 3PP. I can't see this doing anything but going well. But it will be all in retail, so not a huge problem -apart from the coins type stuff. You'll pay more but that's normal.
 

MNblockhead

A Title Much Cooler Than Anything on the Old Site
'track record'? This is Paizo's first crowd funding effort, the previous ones were by (admittedly endorsed) 3PP. I can't see this doing anything but going well. But it will be all in retail, so not a huge problem -apart from the coins type stuff. You'll pay more but that's normal.
Well, okay, fair enough. But that still leaves use with no track record other than endorsing failed third-party campaigns. Look, I'm not trying to be negative. I want to back Paizo and I'm excited to look into some of the PF adventure paths I've heard so much about.

I'm also not sure how well running this in 5e would go.

I'm probably going to wait until there are reviews of the material and see if this shows up in my FLGS where I can page through it. For Pathfinder players, this seems like something worth backing. I'm just not sure if the same can be said for 5e players.
 

S'mon

Legend
Having the monster and npc stats for 5e is all well in good, but what about skill checks and other mechanics that apply to the non-combat aspects of the game? How easy is it to determine appropriate DC values for picking locks, finding secret doors, etc.?
I'm running the PF Rise of the Runelords & Shattered Star APs in 5e, so I have a lot* of experience with this.

For skill DCs (and for ACs) you basically halve the value over 10, typically rounding down, eg

PF > 5e
10 > 10
15 > 12
20 > 15
30 > 20
35 > 22
40 > 25
45 > 27
50 > 30

I wouldn't go over DC 30.

For stuff that would allow a Take 20 in PF such as long term research, I may use a straight halving of the DC, so 55 > 27. I don't think I've seen a PF DC over 55 yet.

*PCs have gone from 1st to 20th, we have played most of Runelords books 2-5, all of Shattered Star books 1-4, and are currently about 2/3 through Shattered Star book 5. Will likely play Shattered Star 6; may or may not play Runelords 6 (Karzoug may end up as an ally of the PCs!) and plan to wind up with most of (a highly variant) Return of the Runelords 6 - Rise of New Thassilon for some VERY Epic PCs.
 
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Ash Mantle

Adventurer
To add a little bit of credence to Paizo's history of hastiness, they appear to refer to their partner as "Legnedary Games" on their Kickstarter platform.

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I wouldn't mind a PF2.0 version of the Kingmaker AP - that was an excellent AP despite its niggling issues, and I'd very much be interested in all of the additional inspired material from the Kingmaker game, any fan input and additional content. Though our group is very interested in playing Kingmaker again our group doesn't appear to be too interested in PF2.0.
It's disappointing although understandable that the bestiaries in 5E and PF1.0 can only be purchased as add-ons, but given what's being said of Legendary's conversion work into 5E I think it's best we hold off for now.

But will still be monitoring.
 
I was really interested in this but there are lots of signs that make me wary of backing. I think I’ll buy it at retail if the reviews are any good.
 
Ok, I get the effort needed to convert the bestiary to 5e would take manpower and time, but why on Earth are they charging for the Pathfinder 1e conversion? The original was written in 1e. Every stat block is already done. Most, of not all, of the new monsters are on d20pfsrd. I could create a "conversion" bestiary in a day just buy ripping the stat blocks out of the original PDFs and pasting them into pagemaker. $35 for copy-pasted stats is ridiculous.
 

billd91

Hobbit on Quest
Ok, I get the effort needed to convert the bestiary to 5e would take manpower and time, but why on Earth are they charging for the Pathfinder 1e conversion? The original was written in 1e. Every stat block is already done. Most, of not all, of the new monsters are on d20pfsrd. I could create a "conversion" bestiary in a day just buy ripping the stat blocks out of the original PDFs and pasting them into pagemaker. $35 for copy-pasted stats is ridiculous.
Assuming pasting stat blocks into Pagemaker is all it would take is the ridiculous part here.
 

Azzy

Cyclone Ranger
Ok, I get the effort needed to convert the bestiary to 5e would take manpower and time, but why on Earth are they charging for the Pathfinder 1e conversion? The original was written in 1e. Every stat block is already done. Most, of not all, of the new monsters are on d20pfsrd. I could create a "conversion" bestiary in a day just buy ripping the stat blocks out of the original PDFs and pasting them into pagemaker. $35 for copy-pasted stats is ridiculous.
Sure, if all they were doing were pasting them to an a Word document that you could download. But doing layout and having it look decent requires effort, then there's the whole bit about it being a hardback book which, if you expect that for free is ridiculous.
 
Sure, if all they were doing were pasting them to an a Word document that you could download. But doing layout and having it look decent requires effort, then there's the whole bit about it being a hardback book which, if you expect that for free is ridiculous.
My point is that they aren't creating any new material here. It doesn't even need the 3.5 -> PF1 conversion that Rise of the Runelords needed. I don't expect them to give away a dead tree product for nothing, but is reformatting already done work worth the same amount as converting to a semi-compatible system like 5e?
 

billd91

Hobbit on Quest
My point is that they aren't creating any new material here. It doesn't even need the 3.5 -> PF1 conversion that Rise of the Runelords needed. I don't expect them to give away a dead tree product for nothing, but is reformatting already done work worth the same amount as converting to a semi-compatible system like 5e?
Maybe you should re-read the initial pitch, because there is going to be at least some new material. Not exactly sure how much...
 

Parmandur

Legend
Maybe you should re-read the initial pitch, because there is going to be at least some new material. Not exactly sure how much...
I think what he's saying is that a collection of the PF1 AP as an alternate option would be nice. Wouldn't be super useful for selling PF2, though.
 

TheSword

Explorer
They are taking elements from Owlcats Kingmaker game which is frankly pretty amazing. Particularly part two which is the weakest of them but ends up really good and dramatic.
 

Olaf the Stout

Adventurer
'track record'? This is Paizo's first crowd funding effort, the previous ones were by (admittedly endorsed) 3PP. I can't see this doing anything but going well. But it will be all in retail, so not a huge problem -apart from the coins type stuff. You'll pay more but that's normal.
As S'mon said, the Goblinworks Kickstarters were totally all Paizo. I'm just guessing they were set up under a separate company for business purposes, so that if it failed (as it has), it didn't take the rest of Paizo down with it.
 

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