5E Paladin Archetypes... *meh*

Gladius Legis

Explorer
shrugs I think the Paladin Oaths are some of the more evocative and distinct subclasses in 5e. They play very noticeably different from each other, especially if you use all the tools they bring to the table beyond the base class.

The only existing Oath I don't really care for is Redemption, with some wonky mechanics one might expect from trying to put a pacifist bent on a combat class. (Crown is pretty mediocre except for Spirit Guardians, which alone makes it effective starting Lv. 9.)
 
The only existing Oath I don't really care for is Redemption, with some wonky mechanics one might expect from trying to put a pacifist bent on a combat class.

The thing I always try to remember (and remind other people of) is that, in 5e you can say you're attacking non-lethally and you'll be just fine. If you want to, you could just take the 1d8 bludgeoning damage and say you're attacking with the sword in it's scabbard or using a wooden practice sword or something like that.

You'll still be effective, and you'll fit the flavor. Just remember to not attack first.
 

Immoralkickass

Explorer
Well, perhaps it was by design. The paladin class is arguably a powerful one even without archetype features added. It is just that in reviewing the archetypes, no one at our table has ever found any of them to be compelling for their character--it is almost a "why bother, these all suck" attitude. Compared to archetypes from other classes, they seem severely uninspired.
Which class have you been comparing to? I think Rogues, Fighters and Monks have it worse. Paladins dont have an archetype that is widely accepted as 'weak'. Plus all of them (except Vengeance) get a unique aura that is quite powerful and benefits the party members.
 

lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
I do not agree with the premise of this thread.

Why blame the archetype, when you can end the class?

Do not suffer the slings and arrow of outrageous subclasses, when you can take arms against the sea of Paladin perfidy.
 
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Oofta

Title? I don't need no stinkin' title.
Have you seen Dark Chrystal yet @lowkey13?

It has gnome paladins with spoons.
Well since lowkey's avatar is based on an evil cat woman who hates paladins ... err ... She-Ra, lowkey would probably side with the Skesis.

Oh, and where's the spoiler alert! Some of us had other things to do over the weekend than to watch muppets! :mad:
 

Oofta

Title? I don't need no stinkin' title.
Catra is not evil.

She's just misunderstood. I mean, how would you feel if your bestie got a hyphen and you didn't?

Hear that, She-Ra? I'm coming for you, and for your precious hyphen!
Right. Better to destroy the entire world than accept responsibility for your own actions. Although I do understand being jealous of that hair.

Besides, all cats are evil. Especially the ones that claim me as their servant.
 

lowkey13

I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
P.S. Have we gone off topic?
A lot of commenters here on enworld don't realize what's really going on. They view threads as a bunch of unconnected topics and things.

They don't realize that there's this, like, lattice of coincidence that lays on top of everything. Give you an example, show you what I mean: suppose you're thinking about a plate of shrimp. Suddenly someone'll write a comment, like, "plate," or "shrimp," or maybe start a thread called "plate of shrimp" out of the blue, no explanation.

No point in looking for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconsciousness.
 

TwoSix

Lover of things you hate
A lot of commenters here on enworld don't realize what's really going on. They view threads as a bunch of unconnected topics and things.

They don't realize that there's this, like, lattice of coincidence that lays on top of everything. Give you an example, show you what I mean: suppose you're thinking about a plate of shrimp. Suddenly someone'll write a comment, like, "plate," or "shrimp," or maybe start a thread called "plate of shrimp" out of the blue, no explanation.

No point in looking for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconsciousness.
Man, I don't think you could cut through that Gordian knot with a katana.
 

Quartz

Explorer
For comparison, here is the Oath of Protection we use.
That's a nice write-up. Can I suggest you improve it by mentioning levels at every stage? And with respect to Lay on Hands Improvement, instead of 'it' rather say 'the target'. You might also explicitly note whether or not Defender of the Faith works if you've been reduced to 0 HP.
 

dnd4vr

Adventurer
That's a nice write-up. Can I suggest you improve it by mentioning levels at every stage? And with respect to Lay on Hands Improvement, instead of 'it' rather say 'the target'. You might also explicitly note whether or not Defender of the Faith works if you've been reduced to 0 HP.
Thanks! I'll update it to include levels, but the features are in order at the levels when all paladin archetypes get their features. Good point about the cap stone, you have to start your turn with at least 1 hit point.

I've attached an updated pdf if you want to use it.
 

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Campbell

Relaxed Intensity
I do not agree with the premise of this thread.

Why blame the archetype, when you can end the class?

Do not suffer the slings and arrow of outrageous subclasses, when you can take arms against the sea of Paladin perfidy.
But Fallen Aasimar Oath of Conquest is so much fun! Not emo at all!
 

Ancalagon

Dusty Dragon
Oath of the ancients aura at level 7 is quite good. Fireball are now mere annoyances. My player also had the outlander background so he was some kind of heavily armored pseudo ranger...

Also:
DM: The evil sorcerer teleports across the street, he is now on the other roof top!
Monk: (new player)... I .... I jump across the street!
DM: You make it! The evil sorcerer is dismayed!
Monk: Yaaaay!!! Monk power!!!!
Paladin: I misty step across and smite the evil sorcerer
Monk: .... really?
 
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