Paladin of Wee Jas

[Shazman]

Sweet! My character conept is intact. No more boring paladins for me. I can't wait to play this character!

 

[Endur]

Hang on, a zealot servant of Wee Jas who... focuses against undead ??

Isn't that a bit like a Forsaker priest of Boccob, a servant of Ehlonna/Mielikki who chops down forests or a follower of Pelor who wants to turn off the sun?

No.

Wee Jas is the Goddess of Magic and Death. She protects the dead. She is not the Goddess of Undead. Wee Jas is against the undead.

A Paladin of Wee Jas, or any worshiper of Wee Jas, would not be a supporter of the undead.

 

[Seeten]

No.

Wee Jas is the Goddess of Magic and Death. She protects the dead. She is not the Goddess of Undead. Wee Jas is against the undead.

A Paladin of Wee Jas, or any worshiper of Wee Jas, would not be a supporter of the undead.

This seems incredibly wrong. The section in the PHB says "She counts many powerful wizards and sorcerors(especially necromancers) amongst her followers."

I dont know about your necromancers, but mine traditionally raise undead, not destroy them.

 

[Particle_Man]

Well it is very regimented. Necromancers need her permission to raise specific undead (or, I suppose, to be raised as undead), and chaotic undead are verbotten.

 

[IamTheTest]

Thats how I read it. Thats also why I thought Bone Knight would be cool, a servant being granted undead as tools to fight with like a cleric being given spells or a fighter being given armor by an official. This PC uses licensed undead as a means to seek out and destroy that which runs counter to the teachings of his god.

 

[Will]

In my last campaign, I had one god with the power that raising undead was not evil and the ensuing undead did not register as evil under very specific circumstances:

The targets in question had to be willing, and working in the service of their religion. In essence, 'proper' undead were like divine agents. The down side was that such undead were limited by 'service'; if you called up a bunch to dig a ditch, better carefully explain to your god why you need the spirits of your ancestors to do menial labor.

 

[Endur]

This seems incredibly wrong. The section in the PHB says "She counts many powerful wizards and sorcerors(especially necromancers) amongst her followers."

I dont know about your necromancers, but mine traditionally raise undead, not destroy them.

The Living Greyhawk Gazetteer
Wee Jas "promotes the utilization of spells and magic items (though many of her Suel followers insist she favors the creation of such things). She gained her death aspect when the survivors of the Rain of Colorless Fire looked to their goddess of magic for assurance that the dead were being escorted to the afterworld… Her clerics must get her permission before restoring a weak or chaotic being to life.”

Necromancy=death magic, not necessarily undead magic.

 

[IamTheTest]

Critique please.
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Detlev Zecklin
Male Human Crusader 1/Paladin 4/ Bone Knight 4/ Ruby Knight Vindicator 1
LG Medium Humanoid
Init +4;Senses Listen, Spot
Aura Courage (10 ft., allies +4 vs fear)
Languages Common, Draconic, empathic link
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AC 22, touch 12, flat-footed 22
hp 90 (10 HD); DR 3/bludgeoning
Immune disease, fear, nonlethal damage, stunning, detect thoughts, discern lies, and any attempt to magically discern alignment
Fort +15, Ref +9, Will +9
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Speed 20 ft. (4 squares) in +2 bonecraft full plate; base 30 ft.
Melee holy ghost touch heavy flail +18/+13 melee (1d10+4/19-20/x2 +2d6 vs evil)
Ranged mwk heavy crossbow +10/+5 ranged (1d10/19-20/x2)
Base Atk +9; Grp +13
Atk Options furious counterstrike, steely resolve 5
Special Actions Rebuke Undead, Stances, Manuevers
Paladin Spells Prepared (CL 4th)
1st-Divine Favorx2
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Maneuvers and Stances Known (IL 1st):
Stances- Iron Guard's Glare, Martial Spirit
Strikes- Vanguard Strike, Stone Bones, Douse the Flames, Leading the Attack, Charging Minotaur
Disciplines: Devoted Spirit; Stone Dragon; White Raven
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Abilities Str 18, Dex 10, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 15, Cha 20
SQ bone march, lay on hands (40 pts.), master of the white banner, share spells, summon skeletal steed
Feats Power Attack, Cleave, Weapon Focus (heavy flail), Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes
Skills Craft(armor) +6, Craft(weapon) +6, Hide +4 (-1 in armor), Intimidate +5 (+9 in armor), Knowledge(arcana) +6, Knowledge(religion) +8, Ride +8 (+3 in armor)
Possessions +2 bonecraft full plate, holy ghost touch heavy flail, mwk heavy crossbow with 10 silver bolts and 20 bolts, gauntlets of ogre power, cloak of charisma +1, ring of sustenence, ring of mind shield, amulet of natural armor +2, heward's handy haversack, pouch containing 112 gp
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Bone March (Su) As a standard action, Detlev can assume control of up to 24 HD of animated undead from a willing caster, provided the caster and the undead are within 60 feet of him. He cannot control any individual undead creature with 4 or more HD.

Lay on Hands (Su) Detlev's lay on hands ability heals undead as well as living creatures.

Master of the White Banner (Su) Undead under Detlev's control and that are within 60 feet of him gain +3 turn resistance.
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Hook "Disciplined in life, disciplined in death."

Detlev's Skeletal Steed
Heavy Warhorse skeleton
N Large undead
Init +6;Senses Listen +0, Spot +0
Aura Courage (10 ft., allies +4 vs fear)
Languages empathic link
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AC 19, touch 11, flat-footed 17
hp 52 (8 HD); DR 5/bludgeoning
Immune undead immunities, cold
Resist improved evasion
Fort +10, Ref +5, Will +6
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Speed 60 ft. (12 squares)
Melee 2 Hooves +8 melee (1d6+5) and bite +3 melee (1d4+2)
Base Atk +4; Grp +13
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AbilitiesStr 20, Dex 15, Con --, Int --, Wis 10, Cha 1
SQ +3 turn resistance within 60 ft of Detlev (cannot be turned while serving as mount), undead traits.

Feats Improved Initiative

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[mvincent]

Necromancy=death magic, not necessarily undead magic.

It is subject to interpretation. From "The Scarlet Brotherhood" accessory (written by Sean K. Reynolds), pages 80 and 81:
“Wee Jas oversees death and the application of magic in the world. Unlike Boccob, who oversees magic in all of Oerth, Wee Jas’ domain is the creation and usage of magic items and spells. . . [she is] Worshiped mainly by wizards (and especially necromancers) . . .[But] Note that she is a protector of the departing soul, not the body; therefore she does allow use of spells such as animate dead. She is supportive of wizards who wish to become liches...”

The most recent Dragon magazine details her religion more fully. If I remember, I'll check to see if it contradicts this.

 

[Endur]

It is subject to interpretation.

Since religions are inherently subject to interpretation, it might be the case that:

Lawful Evil Wee Jas members are fine with undead.

Lawful Good Wee Jas members accuse the LE members of heresy and seek to destroy/rehabilitiate the LE members (inquisition).

Lawful Neutral members are neutral in the dispute. Or perhaps they favor one side over the other, anti-undead or pro-undead.

Thread on this in the general forum too.