Pielorinho
Iron Fist of Pelor
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Pan's Labyrinth
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Pielorinho said:
If believe you are fundamentally wrong, but that line you wrote made me laugh. In any event, I liked the movie. But being who I am, I see the ugly ending as the only one that can be true.
Like in Dogma, when God has made all the bloody corpses vanish - being who I am, my reaction is that they were not raised, the situation was not restored to what it was before the Angel's rampage. Instead, God simply sent the sinners to hell. That does not stop it from being an entertaining movie.
Pan's Labyrinth was a well made movie and a fun flick, just not one to take a moral message from once you leave the theater.
The Grumpy Celt said:
I have to say that that's a pretty depressing view.
I get what you're saying, but I think I'd need to disagree. I look around, and see, things which fly in the face of that viewpoint....maybe they're not the majority, but they do happen. And that makes them all the more special.
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horacethegrey
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Just saw this, have to share my thoughts.
Wow. I must say, Guillermo Del Toro continues to impress me. Take note though, I've only seen two of his films, that being Blade 2 and Hellboy. I've not seen his earlier works like Cronos, The Devil's Backbone or Mimic, but if they're of the same quality as this flick, I shall definitely hunt them down.
At first glance, the story seems pretty straightforward. SPOILERS Girl makes up fantasy world to escape the darkness of her reality, and in the end she gives herself to that fantastical land as her life in the real world ends. SPOILERS But as people said here, if one takes the story at face value, one may miss all the subtle hints, hidden allegories and powerful metaphors of how cruel, totalitarian control destroys the soul while imagination nutures and frees it. I certainly didn't pick up on such things at first, I only came to such conclusions upon thinking about the movie afterwards. I may have to watch the film again to pick on these hidden messages, but I'm not sure I want to
(like many here have said, it's a very violent and dark film, and not for the faint of heart).
But damn, despite it's darkness, I'm not gonna argue the fact that this is visually one of most stunning fantasy films I've ever seen. All the effects for the fantasy scenes, from makeup, CGI to production design are absolutely first rate. It's too bad though that they're few and far between, as most of the story takes place in the real wrold, which is much too grim for my taste (but then again, I think that was the point). The eyeless freak on the dinner table ranks right up there as one the most impressive creatures I've seen onscreen anywhere. And don't get me wrong, while I loved James Mcavoy's Mr. Tumnus in Narnia, he doesn't hold a candle to Doug Jones' Pan. That's how a mythical faun ought to look like!
Well, I guess that's enough gushing for now. But before I go I do wanna say that whatever Del Toro plans to do in the future, whether it be Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness, a new live action Tarzan (yay! ), or that Wolfman flick he plans to do with Benicio Del Toro (no relation 
), I'm so there. This film proves we're in the prescence of a genius, so stand tall and take notice.
Wow. I must say, Guillermo Del Toro continues to impress me. Take note though, I've only seen two of his films, that being Blade 2 and Hellboy. I've not seen his earlier works like Cronos, The Devil's Backbone or Mimic, but if they're of the same quality as this flick, I shall definitely hunt them down.
At first glance, the story seems pretty straightforward. SPOILERS Girl makes up fantasy world to escape the darkness of her reality, and in the end she gives herself to that fantastical land as her life in the real world ends. SPOILERS But as people said here, if one takes the story at face value, one may miss all the subtle hints, hidden allegories and powerful metaphors of how cruel, totalitarian control destroys the soul while imagination nutures and frees it. I certainly didn't pick up on such things at first, I only came to such conclusions upon thinking about the movie afterwards. I may have to watch the film again to pick on these hidden messages, but I'm not sure I want to
(like many here have said, it's a very violent and dark film, and not for the faint of heart). But damn, despite it's darkness, I'm not gonna argue the fact that this is visually one of most stunning fantasy films I've ever seen. All the effects for the fantasy scenes, from makeup, CGI to production design are absolutely first rate. It's too bad though that they're few and far between, as most of the story takes place in the real wrold, which is much too grim for my taste (but then again, I think that was the point). The eyeless freak on the dinner table ranks right up there as one the most impressive creatures I've seen onscreen anywhere. And don't get me wrong, while I loved James Mcavoy's Mr. Tumnus in Narnia, he doesn't hold a candle to Doug Jones' Pan. That's how a mythical faun ought to look like!
Well, I guess that's enough gushing for now. But before I go I do wanna say that whatever Del Toro plans to do in the future, whether it be Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness, a new live action Tarzan (yay!
), or that Wolfman flick he plans to do with Benicio Del Toro (no relation ), I'm so there. This film proves we're in the prescence of a genius, so stand tall and take notice.
Pielorinho
Iron Fist of Pelor
Dramatically, it was the only ending that made sense. Historically, Franco was part of a political phenomenon whose other major players were Hitler and Mussolini, and Franco was the only one whose rule survived. As I said earlier, the victory of the fascists in Spain was the result of some peculiar historical occurrences; I don't think it's fair to suggest that it was the only ending that could result in the real world. (Even then, check out Spain's post-Franco history).The Grumpy Celt said:
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frankthedm
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I beg to differ. This movie has many vital lessons for the children of today’s era. The value of dying for what is right, knowing that the way of comfort is not always the correct path and accepting that some folks need killing.Man in the Funny Hat said:
AdmundfortGeographer
Getting lost in fantasy maps
There are better ways than with blood spattering gore, and on-screen face slicing. Heck, High Noon has that message with much greater clarity. Such a message, IMO, is too obscure for children to pick up from Pan's Labyrinth because there is so much more going on.frankthedm said:
frankthedm said:
I'm coming down in the not for children camp.
Pielorinho
Iron Fist of Pelor
Indeed. I would not take a kid younger than 13 to see this no matter what, and it would have to be a pretty remarkable 13-year-old I'd take. The movie is too nightmarish, and I don't think many young folks are developmentally ready for its concepts.
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Raven Crowking
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Pielorinho said:
Agreed. This is not a pre-teen movie....though it is a bloody fantastic one!
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