Pathfinder 1E Pathfinder figures to replace DDM figures!!!!

[TheAuldGrump]

Sorry - I forgot paizo can do no wrong.

Didn't the ever increasing price of DDM doom the line as well? Oh but that's different. Right. Carry on!

Oh, piffle - don't start edition warring when there is no cause. (Not to mention these are WizKids, not Paizo - a licensed product, but not Paizo's.)

The Pathfinder minis aren't being marketed the same way as the bulk of D&DM. Aimed purely at folks for the RPG, not the way D&DM aimed at a mix of wargaming and RPG. Among other differences is the visibility of all the figures. The one attempt that I remember for the D&DM to do the same was the two player starter set... which had more miniatures than the Pathfinder plastics at a similar price, but also a very odd mix of those figures.

WizKids are likely looking at a much smaller production run than even the smallest release for D&DM. Lower production increases the price per unit. D&DM could have a lower price because they made a boatload of them.

There were reasons beyond price that D&DM failed, shrinking market because they pretty much killed support of the miniatures game being primary, some really bad production values - sometimes in sets that had fairly decent production otherwise. Random packaging, maybe - I do know that the only D&DM sets I bought was on the strength of the visible minis in those releases that had them. (Hey, I like the Rhemoraz....)

These Pathfinder minis could fail, and price might well be part of the reason, but comparing this with D&DM is like comparing apples to pears - obvious similarities, but equally obvious differences.

I very much doubt that a continuing PFRPG pre-painted mini line will ever capture the same market or market share that D&DM did, and I doubt that WizKids will try. I kind of expect a series of themed visible releases, if there is any continuation at all.

They may be priced above what the market will support, but it may also be the price point that they need to match production costs. Success or failure will likely be seen in October.

Let both lines succeed or fail on their own merits and flaws, don't go looking for dispute where none is needed.

The Auld Grump

 

[pawsplay]

No, what doomed the line was a market that was glutted with too much product in 2005/06 that was never cleared from retail and wholesale inventories. Then the reference art was changed on the move to 4E, and the market was further split.

I sometimes suspect that "Freddie Trollger" and My Little Ponycorn were something of a turning point for fans of, say, Giants of Legend.

 

[delericho]

I expect this pack to do pretty well - lots of Pathfinder fans will buy them if only to support the company.

However, if this were to become a full line of figures, they almost certainly would need to reduce the price.

Although I didn't buy any, I did feel that the DDM line actually had about the right sales strategy, at least as far as monsters were concerned. To provide a wide range of monsters at a decent price, you really need to go for the random model. Otherwise, the prices pretty much limit you to the 'iconic' monsters that everyone needs (and everyone does), and then what's the point?

(For PC minis, I'm happier painting them myself.)

 

[TheAuldGrump]

I expect this pack to do pretty well - lots of Pathfinder fans will buy them if only to support the company.

However, if this were to become a full line of figures, they almost certainly would need to reduce the price.

Although I didn't buy any, I did feel that the DDM line actually had about the right sales strategy, at least as far as monsters were concerned. To provide a wide range of monsters at a decent price, you really need to go for the random model. Otherwise, the prices pretty much limit you to the 'iconic' monsters that everyone needs (and everyone does), and then what's the point?

(For PC minis, I'm happier painting them myself.)

Agreed on that last - if I buy them it will be to repaint them. And mostly because I like the figure for Elfy McKnifeygirl better in the plastic than I do the Reaper metal.

Does anyone actually use the Pathfinder Iconics?

The Auld Grump

 

[Subtlepanic]

I'll buy these. However, assuming they release more, I can't see myself spending all that much unless they're randoms.

I've spent literally thousands on DDM, and the random factor was like crack for me. In a sense, I think their flim-flamming with non-random elements may have led to the ultimate demise of DDM. The visibles sets and Heroes certainly slashed my expenditure.

It's a real shame, because the last two sets - where they went back to random - were definitely amongst the best, both in terms of sculpts and paintjobs.

Here's hoping Paizo can fill the gap.

 

[IronWolf]

Does anyone actually use the Pathfinder Iconics?

You will see them used in a Pathfinder Society organized play game when someone runs a pre-gen. Saw Kyra played yesterday at Origins.

 

[TheAuldGrump]

I'll buy these. However, assuming they release more, I can't see myself spending all that much unless they're randoms.

I've spent literally thousands on DDM, and the random factor was like crack for me. In a sense, I think their flim-flamming with non-random elements may have led to the ultimate demise of DDM. The visibles sets and Heroes certainly slashed my expenditure.

It's a real shame, because the last two sets - where they went back to random - were definitely amongst the best, both in terms of sculpts and paintjobs.

Here's hoping Paizo can fill the gap.

Ah, I had completely forgotten about the Heroes sets from WotC. Now I remember that they exist, but will have to take a look at them to remember more.

*EDIT* So, about the same price per figure as the Pathfinder set - three for 10 instead of 4 for 13.... How were the paint jobs?

The Auld Grump

 

[pawsplay]

Ah, I had completely forgotten about the Heroes sets from WotC. Now I remember that they exist, but will have to take a look at them to remember more.

*EDIT* So, about the same price per figure as the Pathfinder set - three for 10 instead of 4 for 13.... How were the paint jobs?

The Auld Grump

Like Tammy Faye putting on her makeup while driving.

 

[megamania]

Like Tammy Faye putting on her makeup while driving.

ouch!

 

[megamania]

Well- I wanted people to know they existed since not everyone did. Though not DDM they are decent looking figures. I don't do pathfinder but the two sword weilding figure would be perfect for a current story I am doing involving a Ranger Barbarian. The figure on the far right would make an excellent Valenar Elf for Eberron. The others are good also.

Will it succeed? Don't know. Do I hope so? Yes. Monsters? doubt it as so many of them are licenced by WoTC / Hasbro still. Generic type monsters could avoid the licencing possibly but how many orcs and goblins did people already buy through DDM?

But its out there, its something new to use and represent villians , NPCs and possibly even your own PCs.

Thumbs up.