Pathfinder OGL/3.5 RPG system from Paizo

Wulf Ratbane said:
If you're not going to be spending money, then nobody gives a flying :):):):) what your opinions are as a consumer.

Not Paizo, not WoTC.

Be prepared to open your wallet for somebody, or go grumble somewhere else.


Dude, there is a HUGE difference between supporting 3P [and getting to continue to use the books I already have] and having to completely start over.

Starting from scratch just because WotC want me to...NO!
 

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Psion said:
EDIT: Okay, DDI is a little sinister. But still...

Like HAL in 2001 or GlaDOS in Portal?

"I'd like to roll up a character now.

I'm sorry, Brad, I'm afraid I can't do that."

Gleemax just better not start staring at me with it's creepy, red unblinking eye.
 

tricky_bob said:
Dude, there is a HUGE difference between supporting 3P [and getting to continue to use the books I already have] and having to completely start over.

That much is certainly true.
 

tricky_bob said:
Maybe, but those editions had major flaws and the number of players were far fewer than now and I'm assuming you are relating this to your post bag because the internet as today didn't exist and the average player didn't get any say in it or an opportunity to voice an opinion.

I don't remember too many threads/posts asking or calling for 4.0 before we all found out about it, do you?
I doubt you will ever find players (in large groups) demanding a new edition. At least not vocally. You might read it between lines, like
Most of those flaws can be eliminated buy excluding certain books, by house ruling and sensible DM-ing.
or
non-acual quotes said:
- I hate that 3.x forces player characters to wear a Christmas Tree in magical items!
- You know, I really would like an alternate magic system. I hate Vancian magic.
- How do I stop my players from resting all the time just to get their spells back.
- Just stack up on a few Wands of Cure Light Wounds, and your group never needs to go back into combat without healing!
- The Bard sucks. Sure, he can buff, but if you took a real mage instea,d he could buff and blast!
- Fighters are boring. Good for new players, because you have less options, but they are totally overshadowed by the options of a spellcasters. And way too often, by their raw power, too.
- Rogues in undead-heavy campaigns suck. No Sneak Attack, and all you're there is for disabling some traps.
- Fighters can't do anything but fight. Outside of combat, they are useless baggage.
- You never have enough skill points.
- Who ever takes Use Rope?
- I hate it that my players are already creating their "character build" from level 1, just to quailify for all the neat Prestige Classes or strange feat combinations they want.
- Prestige Classes only add to the power creep.
- Making skills important in an adventure is only possible if you know the player characters in advance, because you have no way of predicting what skills they have or at what modifier.
- I really like Iron Heroes. Removes the christmas tree and you have more skills. Unfortunately, the magic system sucks and the overall balance isn't well-tuned enough.
- Racial Classes and Racial Substitution Levels are cool.
- Oh look, there goes another Elf variant.
- Scry Buff Teleport. Best tactic against any BBEG. Or against the players.
- Some spells break the game. You can't run a "normal" murder mistery beyond level 5 or so. You always need to use contrived reason why divinations and similar spells don't work.
- All those Save and Die spells combined with Raise Dead & co just create a revolving Death Door. Death loses all meaning.
- How do you really kill someone forever in D&D? How is a political murder to work without heavy use of magic?
But players don't demand a new edition. Because they hope that things could be fixed with the next cool supplement. New edition means that the old supplements probably become less useful. Nobody likes that.
But WotC designers have to find out how to fix these problems. And if this coincides with a general business demand of creating a new edition, a new edition it is then. And it will take all these little stuff, all that is written between line or critisized directly, into account.
 
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Man, and here I was happy that Pathfinder had diverted all the 3E/4E hate-posts into creativity on the Alpha edition..seems some find anything as a good excuse to start edition-bashing. :\
 

tricky_bob said:
Those of you who are pro 4.0, good luck and don't forget your wallet will be empty.

Hmmm...three different times I started over with D&D, plus purchasing materials for at least three other systems.

No, I doubt that 4e will come anywhere near emptying my wallet. Seriously.
 

FickleGM said:
Hmmm...three different times I started over with D&D, plus purchasing materials for at least three other systems.

No, I doubt that 4e will come anywhere near emptying my wallet. Seriously.
And who cares whether the wallet is empty or full if you got what you wanted?
 


FickleGM said:
Hmmm...three different times I started over with D&D, plus purchasing materials for at least three other systems.

No, I doubt that 4e will come anywhere near emptying my wallet. Seriously.
Yeah, I think RPGs have to be my cheapest hobby. I have about 10 D&D 3.0 hardbacks, maybe 20 softbacks + magazines. That's about $1000 over the last 8 years. I've spent more than that on lenses for my camera in just the last 2 years! I dread to think what I've spent on cars...
 
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nerfherder said:
Yeah, I think RPGs have to be my cheapest hobby. I have about 10 D&D 3.0 hardbacks, maybe 20 softbacks + magazines. That's about $1000 over the last 8 years. I've spent more than that on lenses for my camera in just the last 2 years! I dread to think what I've spent on cars...
... but then again, you live the fast life, Mr. Bond!
 

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