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[Mournblade94]

Much of the gaming community approves of WotC's handling of rules updates.

Are you going to argue with this?

That is easy to argue because you have posed a completely anecdotal statement. You have nothing with which to back it up so why wouldn't someone argue? You couldn't win. I can say much of the gaming community disagrees and we would both be giving statements of equal value.

'Much of the gaming community' thought balance was the #1 issue... Then they saw how many people went to Pathfinder or never changed to 4e.

ALot of your posts are anecdotes that you try to pull off as proof. They just don't stand the test.

 

[Mournblade94]

A nebulous figure wheeled out of the shed to combat the equally nebulous idea that many people are irked with rules updates.

Neither side has any numbers, and we're all operating on guesswork.

So then if you already know this why did you submit the statement you did before? Unless you were waiting to make a further point.

Ok fine then I take back what I said in the above post.

 

[Dannager]

That is easy to argue because you have posed a completely anecdotal statement. You have nothing with which to back it up so why wouldn't someone argue? You couldn't win. I can say much of the gaming community disagrees and we would both be giving statements of equal value.

Exactly. You either can believe that much of the gaming community approves of rules updates, or you can not believe it. Up to you.

'Much of the gaming community' thought balance was the #1 issue... Then they saw how many people went to Pathfinder or never changed to 4e.

Yes. People tend to be inconsistent and flighty, gamers doubly so.

 

[BryonD]

Yes. People tend to be inconsistent and flighty, gamers doubly so.

I think you misunderstood. He was not endorsing the part in quotes, he was "quoting" it and then demonstrating that the data didn't back it up.

Your comment seems to smack of sour grapes.

There has been no mass inconsistency or flightiness here. A lot of people knew early on 4E was not for them. Of the ones who played, a lot found over time that it just didn't do anything for them.

It might be that balance is important, but taken in full the balance of 4E simply doesn't off set its other flaws.

Or, it might be that the conclusion of the important of balance was never right to begin with.

By concluding that predictably results are the outcome of flightiness or other flaws with the people who choose different games is cute.

 

[Deuce Traveler]

HA! This is the thread that wouldn't die! I love it!

 

[Wicht]

Yes. People tend to be inconsistent and flighty, gamers doubly so.

Wait. I thought Gamers were a bunch of Grognards who resented change and were thus holding back the advance of inevitable progress by insisting on sticking with old, outdated rules systems written with paper and ink.


Personally, I think people are people. Throwing out derogatory accusations against an entire group of people because a subset of those people disagree with you is petty.

 

[Dannager]

Wait. I thought Gamers were a bunch of Grognards who resented change and were thus holding back the advance of inevitable progress by insisting on sticking with old, outdated rules systems written with paper and ink.

Oh, yes, that too.

Personally, I think people are people. Throwing out derogatory accusations against an entire group of people because a subset of those people disagree with you is petty.

I don't think it's petty at all for one to be critical of a group of which one is a part.

But hey, that's just me.

 

[Wicht]

Oh, yes, that too.



I don't think it's petty at all for one to be critical of a group of which one is a part.

But hey, that's just me.

Only if you meant to say that you yourself were twice as inconsistent and flighty as the rest of the world and were simply assuming other gamers were therefore like yourself.

I have nothing against self-deprecating comments and/or humor. I had originally read it to mean that you were accusing other gamers of being that way, while excepting yourself from the generalization.

 

[technoextreme]

Or, it might be that the conclusion of the important of balance was never right to begin with.

The problem with this logic is that while you may not think its important any train of logic that doesn't end with the hobby dying a horrible death due to attrition has to include balanced game mechanics. Its just going to turn people away as they try and adjudicate some form of balance like the 3.5E tier system.

 

[Hussar]

Except that wasn't the issue. The issue isn't ease of incorporation, it's ability to opt out.



Except that we've learned from this discussion that this isn't true. It seems to annoy some people.

I would say that it's possible, particularly if you had actually printed your character sheet, since you would still have the pre-errata version of the power right there in front of you.

Granted, that won't help you when you make your next character.