Pathfinder vs. 3.5?

[azhrei_fje]

Visit the Paizo.com forums if and check out the posts by Jason Buhlman if you want to get an idea of where the PF Final will be going in Aug '09.

 

[Kaisoku]

No, they do get a feat every level as characters in PF get a new feat every odd level regardless of which class they're playing and fighters get a bonus feat on every even level.

So, a feat every level.

However, they don't get it by virtue of being a fighter, so the fighter class (aka "Fighters") do not get a feat every level. The character playing a fighter gets a feat every level.

The important distinction is that if you say the Fighter class gets a feat every level, it sounds like a character would then get 30 feats (20 fighter feats and 10 character feats), when that's not what you meant.

It's actually not even a change to the Fighter class that you are describing, rather something everyone gets. Balance-wise, the Fighter is no better off due to this change.

However, the Fighter does get a Will save bonus vs Fear, Armor training (allowing higher dex bonus and less penalties from heavy armor), Weapon Training (bonuses to groups of weapons), and their respective masteries (DR and Crit increases).
This does mean that the Fighter gets something rather significant every level, instead of having boring levels of nothing but HD bonuses (lvl 5 used to be a pain... nothing but a BAB, HP and skill boost.. not even saves).

 

[Kerrick]

I like a lot of stuff in Pathfinder and I am, in fact, using a couple of the base classes in my 3.5 FR campaign. I'm only using some of the classes and some of the feats, nothing else. I also tweaked a few of the classes, sorcerers and fighters got more skill points and more class skills, the wizard, cleric, and bard were rewritten. The monk stayed the same, even though it sucks only slightly less than the 3.5 Monk, mostly because I didn't know what to do to make it suck less.

I know this is slightly off-topic, but check out my revised monk. Some folks say the PF version is still better, but I'm not convinced. At the least, it's not a random mishmash of abilities (I felt the same way you do).

 

[GlassJaw]

I've become fairly disenchanted with Pathfinder. I was elated that there was going to be a company that a) continued 3.5 design and b) was an alternative to WotC.

I was extremely hopeful at first but unfortunately, once I started seeing the changes and the beta release, I quickly realized Pathfinder wasn't for me.

It adds more of what 3.5 doesn't need and doesn't change the things that need changing. I won't go into specifics again because my opinions are going to be different than everyone else's but I will say that 3.5 needed changes to core mechanics and not more crunch and power creep.

I've also become quite disillusioned with Jason's design philosophies. It seems very "throw a bunch of stuff at the wall and hope something sticks", which is what got WotC in trouble with 4E (see Skill Challenges).

 

[GlassJaw]

Visit the Paizo.com forums if and check out the posts by Jason Buhlman if you want to get an idea of where the PF Final will be going in Aug '09.

Any linkies?

 

[azhrei_fje]

He's the lead designer for PF RPG. Search on his name and find his profile, then you can click the link that gives you his recent posts. He posts on a variety of topics (classes, magic, combat, etc) so there'd be way too many links to add here. But the search will let you see the thread topics and then you can decide which you're interested in...

(Edit: looks like a search only brought his name up 5 times! He's some kind of "stealth poster"! But a little looking around brought me to this page which is his profile. And there's a "Recent Posts" link at the top.)

 

[Voadam]

To give a little context, I'm thinking about what to use as a baseline for a new E6... whether Pathfinder is becoming the de-facto 3.75 or if 3.5 stands as the base OGL game.

I'd say 3.5 is still the de facto base OGL game.

PF is still in beta form and is a variant of 3.5. While the freely available srd version means thousands have downloaded it, I expect most 3e games being played are still at base 3.5. I know that even though I'm incorporating a bunch of PF and 4e things, my games are still 3.5 at base with lots of house rules.

 

[roguerouge]

I don't have this stuff memorized, so you Pathfinder fanboys don't jump down my throat if I make a mistake or I don't cover your favorite change. Feel free to add to what I'm saying here.

I wouldn't worry about it. They spent the holidays obsessed with an XMas card with a pinup Seoni on it.

 

[dmccoy1693]

Deleted, already stated

 

[Kerrick]

KnightErrantJR posted some concerns and comments in his blog. It pretty well hits on what a lot of people are thinking, judging from the comments in the thread on the Paizo boards.