Pathfinder vs. 3.5E?

[racoffin]

If you love 3,5e - stay with it!

If your moving to 4e - enjoy!

if you want to tweak 3,5e without going to 4e, you could do a lot worse than pathfinder

This. There are good ideas in all three of the systems, and I would expect most could find something they are happy with in one of the three, or a combination of ideas from one or more of them.

 

[xechnao]

We get it, xechnao. PF is a work in progress. We all realize that.

I'm sorry I have to say this, but do you have anything to add to this discussion besides saying "think positive" to doubters?

By Crom!
...I am not saying "think positive". Things might change for the very better, yet things might fail miserably. It's an interesting process, a very interesting experiment. It might perish. It might triumph. All that matters is that people have the choice and can get ahead this experiment.

That's what's important!

 

[Zurai]

Hell, over the entire history of 3.x, only the Archivist and the Artificer are considered the "EQUAL" of Codzilla with the wizard coming in RIGHT under those two above classes.

You'll be happy to know that the wizard, cleric, and druid are significantly nerfed in PFRPG. As are stacking buffs in general (3 max) if you use the recommended rule.

 

[Zurai]

It looks like Pathfinder tried to take some of 4e's ideas and shove them into 3.x

I can't see how you could possibly come to this conclusion

 

[thecasualoblivion]

You'll be happy to know that the wizard, cleric, and druid are significantly nerfed in PFRPG. As are stacking buffs in general (3 max) if you use the recommended rule.

Care to elaborate on Wizard, Cleric and Druid being nerfed?

 

[Jadeite]

You'll be happy to know that the wizard, cleric, and druid are significantly nerfed in PFRPG. As are stacking buffs in general (3 max) if you use the recommended rule.

This is one of the rules that I dislike because it greatly nerfs the Psychic Warriors, the most balanced class known to mankind (at least in 3.5).
I like most of the changes, though and at the moment I am waiting for the Beta release to expose lots of people to pathfinder (as I know many people who have no interest in D&D 4 but don't believe 3.5 is perfect either).

 

[xechnao]

the most balanced class known to mankind

Lol,
I like this phrase

 

[Zurai]

Care to elaborate on Wizard, Cleric and Druid being nerfed?

Polymorphing (and as an extension, Wild Shape) is far less powerful and far more specific, for one thing. Most of the vastly overpowered spells such as Wish are dramatically weaker. Clerics and Wizards get fewer spells per day thanks to changes to Domains and Schools. Grappling spells like Entangle and Black Tentacles are weaker thanks to the changes to the grappling system. Divine Power and Righteous Might aren't quite as strong, so Clerics can't substitute for Fighters quite so easily. Mind Blank isn't absolute any more.

There's also the indirect nerfs - namely, that every other class got improved in at least small ways, while clerics and druids got no direct power improvements.

The power level is far flatter between the core classes.

 

[Kichwas]

I think the number of people who ignore that the current Pathfinder release is an alpha version (i.e., try out your craziest ideas and see what works) is pretty staggering.

The beta will be a better way to judge how the game is shaping up.

This.

People need to remember it.

And if you want the direction of that game to go in a different way, get active on its forums and suggest the way you want it to go.

 

[SSquirrel]

And people bitched and complained because 3.5 was, overall, such a small change that it didn't really warrant an entirely new set of books. What did they change, really? The ranger got an upgrade, some spells got nerfed, and... they got rid of partial actions and facing.

There were tons of tiny changes behind the scenes that meant having to look up lots of fiddly bits about spells and such that were previously memorized for 3 years. It all amounted to more of a PITA than anything else, so I ignored the edition entirely.

See, that's something else that people keep ignoring. You can't balance new thing against every supplement out there; you balance it against the core. Paizo should be rebalancing and fixing things with only the core rules in mind - not everything else. If they get a stable and workable set of core rules, then they can go about providing a conversion guide for all the other stuff.

And yet everytime you see someone from Paizo talk about the need to rebalance the core classes, they are talking about balancing them against later non-core wotc books, Bo9S and such. I don't feel it's the best course of action, but stopped talking on the paizo boards b/c fanboys just shouted down anything at all against their ideas.