Penumbral Lord, Anyone Played One?
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Nightfall
Sage of the Scarred Lands
I had an NPC Penumbral Lord. Admittedly he wasn't evil or good, (TN) but he was in contest with a local lord (in actuality a powerful lich). I didn't get to use him in combat, but these are my impressions of Penumbral Lord:
1: I think the spell progression is a little off. I'd perfer something like Mirror Master. That way you still get a lot UMPH when you cast spells.
2. It could use a few more powers. I had a revised version of Penumbral Lord (I lost it though) that allowed him to open small gateways into the Plane of Shadow and summon shadows. Plus he could also turn into a shadow creature as well. These were obviously high level powers (8th and 10th respectively)
3. Overall, Penumbral Lord is a great little Pr-class but not as powerful as some others. Course shadow magic isn't supposed to be like tossing fireballs at will, but still, I think a revision wouldn't hurt to help give a Penumbral Lord more power. Course I'd add more requirements but nothing major.
1: I think the spell progression is a little off. I'd perfer something like Mirror Master. That way you still get a lot UMPH when you cast spells.
2. It could use a few more powers. I had a revised version of Penumbral Lord (I lost it though) that allowed him to open small gateways into the Plane of Shadow and summon shadows. Plus he could also turn into a shadow creature as well. These were obviously high level powers (8th and 10th respectively)
3. Overall, Penumbral Lord is a great little Pr-class but not as powerful as some others. Course shadow magic isn't supposed to be like tossing fireballs at will, but still, I think a revision wouldn't hurt to help give a Penumbral Lord more power. Course I'd add more requirements but nothing major.
Oni
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Just looking at the Penumbral Lord's spell progression and it raised a question in my mind. Are the 0's on the supposed to be zeroes or should they be dashes? That is to say, was it the designers intention that the Penumbral Lord be able to cast higher level spells via bonus spells granted by a high attribute score or is it an oversight. I ask because the Penumbral Lord has no dashes only 0's, The Sea Witch has neither dashes or 0's, and the Vigilant follows the more standard format of having both 0's and dashes on his Spells per day table.
Nightfall
Sage of the Scarred Lands
Well I know that they are supposed to have 3 0 level spells and 2 1st level spells.
I imagine though they should be dashes but that's my ruling Oni. Personally I don't see why a Penumbral lord COULDN'T get bonus spells due to high Intelligence, but that's just one idea.
I imagine though they should be dashes but that's my ruling Oni. Personally I don't see why a Penumbral lord COULDN'T get bonus spells due to high Intelligence, but that's just one idea.
1. '0's should be dashes.
2. with shadow cast they can basically cast as many spells per day as they like in shadowed areas.
This makes for a weaker NPC in that they probably will get crushed by the PCs before they runout of spells). However as a PC this unlimited shadow spell thing can kick a lot of ass.
Increasing the number of spells would make them probably excessively powerful.
2. with shadow cast they can basically cast as many spells per day as they like in shadowed areas.
This makes for a weaker NPC in that they probably will get crushed by the PCs before they runout of spells). However as a PC this unlimited shadow spell thing can kick a lot of ass.
Increasing the number of spells would make them probably excessively powerful.
Nightfall
Sage of the Scarred Lands
I forgot about shadow casting. Still it's hard to hold on to shadowy area IF you don't have something like deeper darkness and/or unhallowed in effect.
Still I think there COULD be a few more effects given at high levels that might improve the power of the Penumbral Lord without seriously rendering it's broken.
Still I think there COULD be a few more effects given at high levels that might improve the power of the Penumbral Lord without seriously rendering it's broken.
three words:
infinite magic missle
the class is pretty powerful already.
given that the character is already a potent arcane caster shadow cast reallly takes it to the next level. a sorc can chain cast their most powerful spell basically indefinitely. round after round after round.
The P lord almost certainly isn't an ideal PC class for D&D, its effectiveness varries more than your standard class. However a character can always fall back on their regular spells and just about any PC would make and almost certainly has wands of gloom/darkness etc.
S&S did a good job on the class. I don't think you can give the P. Lord more of anything without weakening Shadow casting.
infinite magic missle
the class is pretty powerful already.
given that the character is already a potent arcane caster shadow cast reallly takes it to the next level. a sorc can chain cast their most powerful spell basically indefinitely. round after round after round.
The P lord almost certainly isn't an ideal PC class for D&D, its effectiveness varries more than your standard class. However a character can always fall back on their regular spells and just about any PC would make and almost certainly has wands of gloom/darkness etc.
S&S did a good job on the class. I don't think you can give the P. Lord more of anything without weakening Shadow casting.
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