Permanent Emanation and Extraordinary Spell Aim

[Rkhet]

Is it possible to shape the effects of a Permanent Emanation with Extraordinary Spell Aim?

And, if so, is the casting time a full-round action or a free action?

 

[Rkhet]

Anyone?

*bump*

 

[Thanee]

I'd say no, since the feat only applies to casting spells.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Rkhet]

From Permanent Emanation:

PERMANENT EMANATION [EPIC]

Prerequisites: Spellcraft 25 ranks, ability to cast the spell to be made permanent.

Benefit: Designate any one of the character’s spells whose area is an emanation from the character. This spell’s effect is permanent (though the character can dismiss or restart it as a free action). Effects that would normally dispel this spell instead suppress it for 2d4 rounds.

Special: This feat may be taken multiple times. Each time, select a different spell to become permanent.

By strict reading, this feat modifies an Emanation spell so that when you cast it, the duration becomes Permanent. So if you use Extraordinary Spell Aim in combination with the spell after you acquire this feat, you have a shaped spell with a duration of Permanent - which you can dismiss or restart as a free action. So in fact the spell was cast, though only once.

 

[Thanee]

I don't see where the spell is cast.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Rkhet]

The feat does not automatically grant you a permanent effect. All it does is modify one spell you can cast, making the duration permanent. So after you acquire the feat you have to actually cast it once. During this casting, you can modify it with Extraordiary Spell Aim.

Not necessarily the intention of the author, of course.

 

[Thanee]

The feat does not automatically grant you a permanent effect.

I'm actually fairly sure, that this is indeed exactly what it does.

This spell’s effect is permanent.

Note, that it says 'spell's effect' and 'is' there.

Unlike Permanency, which says:

This spell makes certain other spells permanent.

It does not make the spell permanent when cast, it takes the spell's effect and gives you a permanent emanation based on that spell's effect, which is active as soon as you aquire the feat.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Rkhet]

I fail to see the comparison between this and Permanency. Permanency requires the spell to be in effect in the first place, does it not?

The important part of the feat, for the purpose of this, is: "This spell's effect is permanent".

I interpret this as to mean the spell's duration is modified to permanent. It still has to be cast, though.

Do you have an alternative interpretation for that phrase?

 

[Thanee]

Here, the important words underlined:

Designate any one of the character’s spells whose area is an emanation from the character. This spell’s effect is permanent (though the character can dismiss or restart it as a free action). Effects that would normally dispel this spell instead suppress it for 2d4 rounds.

No spellcasting involved. You simply pick a spell when you learn the feat, and the spell's effect then is permanent.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

I interpret this as to mean the spell's duration is modified to permanent. It still has to be cast, though.

Then it would say, the spell's duration changes to permanent.
And all the parts about dismissing and restarting and dispelling it would be somewhat pointless. They are only really necessary, because the spell is not cast, but rather simply a permanent effect is generated by the feat. Would be a bit weak, if it could simply be dispelled, and a bit annoying, if it could not be dismissed.

Bye
Thanee