[PGtF] Initiate of Mystra... Anyspell?

[Thanee]

Can the Initiate of Mystra only cast Anyspell as a regular cleric spell, but then still has to prepare the wizard spell in a domain slot?

Or can she actually put wizard spells into her regular spell slots with Anyspell?


Can she use any other domain slots (i.e. 4th level, 5th level) to prepare wizard spells there, or only exactly the one given in the spell's description (that is 3rd level for Anyspell)?

Bye
Thanee

 

[mikebr99]

The feat puts the Anyspell (& Greater Anyspell) in the Cleric's general spell list. So he could popluate all of his 3rd level slots with 2nd or lower arcane spells.

And, if he also has the Spells domain, he can also have a 2nd level or lower arcane spell in the 3rd level domain slot.

He does require a spellbook (or scrolls) to read from to do this however...


MT without the power loss in my books! YMMV


Mike

 

[reiella]

Can the Initiate of Mystra only cast Anyspell as a regular cleric spell, but then still has to prepare the wizard spell in a domain slot then?

Or can they actually put wizard spells into her regular spell slots with Anyspell?


Can she use any other domain slots (i.e. 4th level, 5th level) to prepare wizard spells there, or only exactly the one given in the spell's description (that is 3rd level for Anyspell)?

Bye
Thanee

Hmm, going to have to disagree with mikebr99. The Initiate of Mystra feat doesn't detail any exceptions (Except the note that the spell appears in one of Mystra's domains and cast be cast as a normal spell).

Anyspell itself hasn't changed, and it explicitly states that the spell is prepared in your 3rd-level domain spell slot.

That isn't to say that the intent isn't for the spell to allow the spell-slot substition for any 'spell-slot' already prepared with Anyspell, but as it's written, it kinda doesn't allow for that...

Which does kinda suck.

 

[James McMurray]

I think its pretty obvious that the intent of the feat was to allow storing the arcane spell in any normal slot. Otherwise that portion of the feat is less than useless, since it means you use a normal slot and a domain slot for a single spell. One that you could have gotten with just a domain slot if you've got the Spell Domain.

I can see a lot of house rules in the future.

 

[Thanee]

The short text of Anyspell in the PGtF does say domain slot as well, IIRC.

In fact, I think it would be ridiculously powerful, if the initiate was allowed to use all her regular slots with wizard spells. As mike said... like the Mystic Theurge, just no power loss (well some, since you need higher slots for wizard spells, but not much and cleric spells are in no way hampered).

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

I think its pretty obvious that the intent of the feat was to allow storing the arcane spell in any normal slot. Otherwise that portion of the feat is less than useless, since it means you use a normal slot and a domain slot for a single spell. One that you could have gotten with just a domain slot if you've got the Spell Domain.

It would still allow to get access to wizard spells without the spell domain!

Bye
Thanee

 

[Liquidsabre]

The Special at the bottom of the Initiate of Mystra refers to anyspell & greater anyspell. "With this feat, you can cast them as reguler cleric spells, not just domain spells."

That should clear it up nicely. Keep in mind that these spells must be prepared as a Wizard prepares them, IOW the cleric has to have access to a scroll or spellbook, they don't just pray for them.

This means an Initiate of Mystra may fill a regular 3rd level slot with any arcane spell they have access to up to 2nd level and later they may fill a 6th lvl slot with any arcane spell up to 5th lvl. This seems a bit over the top unfortunately, balance-wise. To fix this from getting out of control it would've been better if the Initiate were allowed to fill their domain spell as normal with Anyspell and then 1 additional regular slot, but not potentially all of them. Imagine a Cleric memorizing several Firebrands in their 6th lvl slots and Scorchign Rays in their 3rd lvl slots, Yikes. That's definately stepping on the arcane caster territory there.

 

[reiella]

The Special at the bottom of the Initiate of Mystra refers to anyspell & greater anyspell. "With this feat, you can cast them as reguler cleric spells, not just domain spells."

That should clear it up nicely. Keep in mind that these spells must be prepared as a Wizard prepares them, IOW the cleric has to have access to a scroll or spellbook, they don't just pray for them.

This means an Initiate of Mystra may fill a regular 3rd level slot with any arcane spell they have access to up to 2nd level and later they may fill a 6th lvl slot with any arcane spell up to 5th lvl. This seems a bit over the top unfortunately, balance-wise. To fix this from getting out of control it would've been better if the Initiate were allowed to fill their domain spell as normal with Anyspell and then 1 additional regular slot, but not potentially all of them. Imagine a Cleric memorizing several Firebrands in their 6th lvl slots and Scorchign Rays in their 3rd lvl slots, Yikes. That's definately stepping on the arcane caster territory there.

Except that's not what it means.

Also look at Initiate of Selune or Initiate of Gond.

They also have the text "The insertspell spell also appears on x domain list. With this feat, you can cast it as a regular cleric, not just a domain spell."

Given that Fantastic Machine, Moon Blade, and Moon Path also are given the exact same wording.

All that text says is that you can cast the Anyspell or Anyspell, Greater spells as regular cleric spells. It doesn't change any of the text of those spells, the effects of the Anyspell still only occur in the domain spell-slot. Now if the text of Anyspell said "replaces the spellslot that was occupied by Anyspell" it would work as written.

The intent may well to work in that manner, doesn't mean that's what the RAW supports.

It does still hold some benefit, however, with the prepared Wizard spell only occupying the appropiate domain slot. You can change the prepared spell throughout the day if you have the time, adding a level of versatility. Admittantly, that's a really minor benefit and really necessitates having a "spell already prepared" in a given domain slot and wanting to change that spell.

Now, the fun part is that I'm not sure if casting the spell (normally, assuming not an Initiate of Mystra) 'refreshes' the 3rd level domain slot. Or does the cleric have to wait for a day to get that spell-slot back in order to cast it?

If it refreshes, there's an added benefit of being able to effectively have multiple wizard spells cast in a given day, you just have to spend 15 minutes refreshing the spell-slot.

 

[mikebr99]

Straight Cleric w/Magic Domain, and Initiate of Mystra Feat...


Why it's the old fighter/cleric/magic user!


Mike

 

[Thanee]

The Special at the bottom of the Initiate of Mystra refers to anyspell & greater anyspell. "With this feat, you can cast them as reguler cleric spells, not just domain spells."

That should clear it up nicely.

Not at all.

Casting the spell allows to prepare a wizard spell into a domain slot, as written.

So basically, as it stands there, the Initiate of Mystra can prepare Anyspell as a regular cleric spell, then cast it, and during the process prepare a suitable wizard spell into her 3rd level domain slot.

It doesn't say anything about using higher level domain slots or regular cleric slots for this preparation.

Bye
Thanee