[PHB II]Sorcerer Metamagic Specialist - Too Much?

[Aust Diamondew]

Sorcerers (all spontaneous casters) in my games could always use metamagic with no restrictions so I don't think it is too much of a big deal.
It just makes sorcerers more fun to play (full round spell casting sucks).

 

[Mistwell]

I do not feel this is overpowered in any way.

In fact, I don't see it as a big deal. Heck, I think it was already a common house rule.

So what if sorcerors can now actually use quicken spell...good for them! I always thought it was rather unfair that book-learners could use that feat but spontaneous casters could not. And given the extremely limited number of spells a spontaneous caster has compared to the book-caster, I already thought it was balanced with those factors alone.

I do not think familiars are nearly as bad as most people seem to think they are, by the way.

 

[ThirdWizard]

I think its fine. I also lower Quicken to be +3 instead of +4 and have allowed sorcerers to Quicken already, so YMMV.

 

[Savage Wombat]

Not to mention that a sorcerer can't throw that many spells as quickened, since he he has fewer high-level spell slots than he does lower-level ones. Throw that quickened Fireball and you lose the ability to throw an empowered Cone of Cold later.

 

[Stalker0]

I agree, I use this ruling as a standard houserule, with no problems withsoever.

Sorcs get very few spells known and they get high level spells slower than a wizard. Combine the fact that wizards can use things like wands and pearls of power to bump up the times they can use certain spells, and sorcs don't really get that much more than wizards.

I don't think this ruling makes sorcs too powerful, I think this ruling should have been given to sorcs in the first place.

 

[Caliban]

I think its fine. I also lower Quicken to be +3 instead of +4 and have allowed sorcerers to Quicken already, so YMMV.

Madness! Heresy!

 

[KarinsDad]

So what if sorcerors can now actually use quicken spell...good for them! I always thought it was rather unfair that book-learners could use that feat but spontaneous casters could not.

So do you also think it is unfair that Sorcerers can Spontaneously Metamagic, but book-learners cannot?

 

[Stalker0]

So do you also think it is unfair that Sorcerers can Spontaneously Metamagic, but book-learners cannot?

Sponteanous magic is what the sorc does!! That's the reason you play sorcs!! Book learners get higher level magics faster, and they get a butt load more variety in the spells they can cast. But they pay for it by having to prepare ahead of time.

Sponteanity is what the sorc does, I say let him do it well.

 

[KarinsDad]

Sponteanous magic is what the sorc does!! That's the reason you play sorcs!! Book learners get higher level magics faster, and they get a butt load more variety in the spells they can cast. But they pay for it by having to prepare ahead of time.

Sponteanity is what the sorc does, I say let him do it well.

The point of my question was:

Why is the rules as written fair for Wizards, but not fair for Sorcerers?


I too have no problem with Sorcerers getting good Spontaneous Metamagic, as long as they cannot Spontaneously Quicken which allows them to cast two spells per round most rounds at high levels. It is not only fair that they cannot do this, it is the rule.


Mistwell was indicating that it is unfair that Sorcerers cannot Quicken a spell. There's nothing unfair about that at all (especially considering that they can take Arcane Preparation to use Quicken Spell), just like there is nothing unfair that Wizards cannot Metamagic on the Fly. Each class has strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Stalker0]

I too have no problem with Sorcerers getting good Spontaneous Metamagic, as long as they cannot Spontaneously Quicken which allows them to cast two spells per round most rounds at high levels. It is not only fair that they cannot do this, it is the rule.

Thing is, Wizards can do the same thing, they just have to be a little craftier at it. A wizard can prepare quickened fireballs and scorching rays and the like, and cast 2 spells a round just like a sorc could if you allow quicken to work for them. Sorcs have the advantage in that they can quicken any spell they want, when they want. Wizards have the advantage in that they can quicken higher level spells, and they have more types of spells they can quicken. Each has an advantage in its own way.