PHBII Classes Confirmed

[falcarrion]

does anyone remember the npc class from Dragon magazines early years.
it started with an I . was it incantrix?

Though I'm still hopeing it stands for I-candy....lol

 

[Fifth Element]

does anyone remember the npc class from Dragon magazines early years.
it started with an I . was it incantrix?

Though I'm still hopeing it stands for I-candy....lol

Incantatrix IIRC. A FR class, again IIRC.

Edit: It was in Dragon 90, according to the DragonDex.

 

[falcarrion]

Sorry I'm not up on all the abreveations.

please be more specific.

 

[justanobody]

Incantatrix IIRC. A FR class, again IIRC.

Edit: It was in Dragon 90, according to the DragonDex.

IIRC = If i recall correctly.
FR = Forgotten Realms

 

[doctorhook]

This is my thinking also to which I broke down how the books will be divided, especially since the remainder of the Power Books come after PHBII.

Arcane will cover Bard, Sorcerer, Warlock, and Wizard
Divine will cover Avenger, Cleric, Invoker, and Paladin
Primal will cover Barbarian, Druid, Shaman, and Warden

You forgot the Swordmage, as Kobold Avenger pointed out.

This division is based on there being a total of 16 classes between PHB & PHBII and currently only four power sources. That is unless they introduce an additional power source, such as elemental which could be what Sorcerers use. The additional power sources as listed in the PHB were elemental, ki, primal, psionic, and shadow. If WotC stays with four classes per book then it would make sense that they wouldn’t introduce another power beyond primal so that all the classes balance out between the first four books.

Sorcerer will be Arcane, bro. It's pretty late in the game for them to up and change the nature of a major release which will be on store shelves five months from now.

With primal being covered in PHB II that would also leave four powers left to be divided between PHB III and PHB IV. Each source getting four classes would give eight classes per book equaling 16 more classes by the end of 2010 in addition to any campaign setting classes. Due to all the demand and chatter on the boards there’s no doubt psionics will be in PHBIII and most likely either ki or elemental depending on how much noise fans of the Monk have made to WotC.

I think you're right about Psionics and Ki; Elemental or Shadow could be a toss-up for PH3.

That's assuming Amazon's listing is current and correct. The catalogue might state the same thing, but we're four months out. The cover preview doesn't list any classes on it.

IIRC, that scoop originally came from the catalogue, not from Amazon. Logan Bonner mentions that Arcane Power will contain support for more classes than Martial Power does, here. Since MP has four classes, that means Arcane Power will contain at least five: Bard, Sorcerer, SWORDMAGE, Warlock, and Wizard. (Incidentally, he offers this explanation as a reason why the Artificer won't be in AP.)

One of my friends was upset with the Martial book because he had heard that originally the Paladin was suppose to be included with it but it is obviously now in the Divine book.

Respectfully, your friend obviously heard wrong. AFAIK, nobody ever publically suggested either that the Paladin would be Martial, or that a book about Martial classes would include material for a Divine class.

This is not a case of something getting changed before publication, it's a case of pure misinformation.

The problem is that the book is listed at 160 pages which also lends to it not possibily including the Swordmage as that thins down how many pages a class would get or cuts back on the number of feats. The Martial book is 160 pages, serving four.

We did this part already.

Sorry I'm not up on all the abreveations.

please be more specific.

Do you see the dotted underline beneath each abbreviation? That means that if you hold your cursor over top that abbreviation, it will show you the definition.

IIRC = "If I recall/remember correctly"
FR = "Forgotten Realms"

I hope that helps!

 

[dm4hire]

You forgot the Swordmage, as Kobold Avenger pointed out.

Sorcerer will be Arcane, bro. It's pretty late in the game for them to up and change the nature of a major release which will be on store shelves five months from now.

I didn't forget Swordmage; I left them out for a reason. Namely there is nothing outside the Amazon listing stating it's included. If you go to WotC's page the description is now blank or at least when I visited it before posting it wasn't and I just checked again. As for it being to late it isn't. The book comes out in March. Final editing would need to be done no later than the end of December at the latest to allow two months printing and then shipping the first two weeks of March to meet a third week release.

I think you're right about Psionics and Ki; Elemental or Shadow could be a toss-up for PH3.

And this speculation assumes they stick with the power sources listed in the PHB as that could change also.

IIRC, that scoop originally came from the catalogue, not from Amazon. Logan Bonner mentions that Arcane Power will contain support for more classes than Martial Power does, here. Since MP has four classes, that means Arcane Power will contain at least five: Bard, Sorcerer, SWORDMAGE, Warlock, and Wizard. (Incidentally, he offers this explanation as a reason why the Artificer won't be in AP.)

Again as I mentioned, this assumes that they stick with what is stated. It wouldn't be the first time that a product has changed a little if not a lot before release. 4e as a whole changed quite a bit compared to the early previews that first came out for it, Bard was pushed back to PHBII, mechanics changed, etc, etc.

Respectfully, your friend obviously heard wrong. AFAIK, nobody ever publically suggested either that the Paladin would be Martial, or that a book about Martial classes would include material for a Divine class.

This is not a case of something getting changed before publication, it's a case of pure misinformation.

We did this part already.

Actually I don't view the Paladin as a divine class myself, at least not compared to past editions, and as for my friend's observations I'm not certain where he got his information. He spends a lot of time on the different RPGA forums and such so perhaps it was something he picked up from there. The other aspect is that I think he was hoping that the Martial book would be more along the lines of the Complete books in 3e and thus provide options for making martial aligned classes more martial while expanding the strictly martial classes, i.e. options that would enhance the sword and board options for Paladins in place of the divine aspects.

 

[Fifth Element]

IIRC = If i recall correctly.
FR = Forgotten Realms

That's right. And by "Forgotten Realms", I may just mean "designed by Ed Greenwood."

As an aside, I think we can call the Invoker confirmed now, since the playtest release for that class was announced for December by WotC.

 

[mhacdebhandia]

Actually I don't view the Paladin as a divine class myself, at least not compared to past editions

I understand the words you use, but your statement makes no sense.

 

[Rechan]

Druid playtest out Dec 1.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

From what I understand of Dark Sun, psionic and elemental would be a far better fit for that setting than psionic and ki. Perhaps two each of ki and elemental classes, plus four psionic? Then PHB4 could be two each ki and elemental, plus four shadow.

I realy realy hope they switch shadow and Ki there...

2010 Dark sun (Please please please), PHBIII (4 psi, 2 elmental, 2 shadow)...
2011 PHB IV ( 2shadow 2 elemental 4 ki)
2012 PHBV (a new powersource, and a bunch of 'extra' for the others)