PHBII Classes Confirmed

[dm4hire]

My statement is in reference to the reason Paladin was excluded from the Martial book, meaning that it seems more of a martial based class than divine. I could have written it better I'm sure, but it really wasn't my focus of the response.

As for PHBV I'm wondering if that will happen. It would seem logical to me to tighten edition releases and time them about every five to six years. So maybe a five but doubt anything beyond that as sales really start to dwindle after five years pushing a need for either revision or new edition sales wise. Though if they keep the classes as tight as they seem to be trying for they could effectively push back the need for an edition to eight or ten years.

 

[mhacdebhandia]

My statement is in reference to the reason Paladin was excluded from the Martial book, meaning that it seems more of a martial based class than divine.

In what sense is this true? The paladin has been a holy knight ever since Gary Gygax took the specific inspiration for the class from Poul Anderson's Three Hearts and Three Lions. It's certainly accumulated more overt divine magic since then, but it has always been associated with divine power, even when paladins weren't considered to serve deities directly.

Certainly, in Fourth Edition, only a lunatic would expect Martial Power to cover the class.

 

[bagger245]

Certainly, in Fourth Edition, only a lunatic would expect Martial Power to cover the class.

No need to be so condescending here...
By the way, if Martial Power book only accomodate the 4 present martial classes, then
will there be a Martial Power 2, for those pressumably new martial classes in the future?

 

[Rechan]

No need to be so condescending here...
By the way, if Martial Power book only accomodate the 4 present martial classes, then
will there be a Martial Power 2, for those pressumably new martial classes in the future?

I think it would be a long, long time before we get 4 new martial classes, considering that they still have a bunch of power sources to go through.

Now, new class features/powers for the existing classes, that's more likely. But honestly, I'd like WotC to wait for 2016 before they're going back over ground they've covered.

 

[firesnakearies]

I realy realy hope they switch shadow and Ki there...

2010 Dark sun (Please please please), PHBIII (4 psi, 2 elmental, 2 shadow)...
2011 PHB IV ( 2shadow 2 elemental 4 ki)
2012 PHBV (a new powersource, and a bunch of 'extra' for the others)

I really can't see them waiting until 2011 to put out 4th Edition Monks. Monks are pretty popular.

Look at the classes that have been most often attempted to be brought into 4E so far, either by third-party publishers or by fans. Druids, Barbarians, and Bards are probably the biggest three, but they're all coming in PHBII for sure. The next most called-for class is the Monk, as evidenced in the new Advanced Player's Guide, Forgotten Heroes, and the around five or six different fan-built versions floating around the forums.

It seems very unlikely to me that an official 4E Monk class won't be published by Q2 2010 at the latest. PHBIII seems the most likely place.

Maybe they'll just do two of each new power source in PHBIII. That would be pretty sweet, actually. They could get the most essential Elemental, Ki, Shadow, and Psionic classes out in one book, and then add more later.

It seems to me like Psionic and Ki are the ones that have the most "core-like" untouched content in 4E at this point. Monks and Psions are already long-established, popular character types which many people are clamoring for. Anything they come out with for Elemental or Shadow seems like it's going to be a bit "niche" or brand new concepts, since we already have Wizards, Sorcerers, and Druids in other power sources.

Yeah, Elemental classes would probably mesh better with Dark Sun's (hopeful!) release, but I just really want Monks first.

 

[dm4hire]

In what sense is this true? The paladin has been a holy knight ever since Gary Gygax took the specific inspiration for the class from Poul Anderson's Three Hearts and Three Lions. It's certainly accumulated more overt divine magic since then, but it has always been associated with divine power, even when paladins weren't considered to serve deities directly.

Certainly, in Fourth Edition, only a lunatic would expect Martial Power to cover the class.

I understand that and if you read the previous post that my statement is in response to; you would see that I said Paladins seem less divine than previous editions. I was making an edition comparison. I'm sure that will be corrected in the Divine Book once it comes out, but we'll have to wait and see. As it stands now the Paladin only heals and dishes out radiant (Holy) damage, missing elements of previous versions of the class.

 

[dm4hire]

I agree about the monk, it seems there is a lot of requests floating around for it. However I'm not sure which aspect we'll end up getting from WotC. If it is the asian based variety then I could seem them waiting a couple of years to really work out the system for a more even flow and feel for that type of setting. If they go along past incarnations then yes 2010 seems like a good place for it to pop up.

 

[mhacdebhandia]

I understand that and if you read the previous post that my statement is in response to; you would see that I said Paladins seem less divine than previous editions.

You know, if that's what you meant, then I must have misread it. I apologise.

I still think it's crazy for anyone to think - as I think you said your friend did? - that the paladin would be covered in Martial Power, considering the whole point of the Power books is that they're tied to the power source.

 

[firesnakearies]

...Paladins seem less divine than previous editions . . . As it stands now the Paladin only heals and dishes out radiant (Holy) damage...

Um.

 

[MacMathan]

So now that we have more definite info on which classes are in and have seen more of a few of the classes any further speculation?