PHII Knight and Defensive Sweep

[Artoomis]

One thing to bear in mind is that it's only stepping into an area of difficult terrain that hampers a character's movement. A character who starts his turn in melee against a knight with a reach of 5 feet can make a full attack and then take a 5-foot step away from the knight, since the square he's stepping to doesn't hamper movement.

Knights with reach weapons (especially spiked chain) can make this more difficult, but then they forego their shield-related class features.

Keep in mind a 5-foot step may indeed be taken when your movement is hampered, unless it is hampered all the way down to less than 5-feet.

 

[MarkB]

Keep in mind a 5-foot step may indeed be taken when your movement is hampered, unless it is hampered all the way down to less than 5-feet.

No, it can't. Read ElectricDragon's SRD quotation a little way up-thread.

 

[Nail]

Keep in mind a 5-foot step may indeed be taken when your movement is hampered, unless it is hampered all the way down to less than 5-feet.

Are you sure?

Check out the SRD entry for "5-ft step":

Take 5-Foot Step
You can move 5 feet in any round when you don’t perform any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity. You can’t take more than one 5-foot step in a round, and you can’t take a 5-foot step in the same round when you move any distance.

You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round.

You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn’t hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can’t take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature.

You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed.

The quote you've been using is only for situations in which you can only move 5 feet. In such situations, moving 5 feet does not count as a "5-foot-step". ...But we're not talking about auch a situation.

 

[IcyCool]

Keep in mind a 5-foot step may indeed be taken when your movement is hampered, unless it is hampered all the way down to less than 5-feet.

Umm, you may want to read Nail's post above. And what you are talking about disallowing kinda defeats the entire point of the Knight ability.

Knight's Bulwark of Defense (EX): If an opponent begins its turn in a threatened area, the area is difficult terrain to him. (paraphased, full text on p 28)

Once the Knight threatens you, it's really hard to get away from him. Couple this ability with the Stand Still feat, and it gets even better.

 

[Artoomis]

Umm, you may want to read Nail's post above. And what you are talking about disallowing kinda defeats the entire point of the Knight ability....

Once the Knight threatens you, it's really hard to get away from him. Couple this ability with the Stand Still feat, and it gets even better.

Fair enough. I hate it when the rules say something in one place but neglect to state it in another, levaing an apparent contradiction.

So I was wrong, Oh well, I am sure it won't be the last time.

 

[IcyCool]

So I was wrong, Oh well, I am sure it won't be the last time.

I'm wrong on a daily basis. Thankfully, earth-shattering decisions are not made by me, so the world at large is safe for now.

 

[BlueBlackRed]

I'm curious what people here think the interaction between these two abilities are.
Knight's Bulwark of Defense (EX): If an opponent begins its turn in a threatened area, the area is difficult terrain to him. (paraphased, full text on p 28)
Defensive Sweep: If an opponent you threaten doesn't move, he draws an attack of opportunity. (paraphrased, see full text on p78)

It would seem that an opponent of a Knight has the option of a) move away in stratigic withdrawl b) move and act drawing an attack of opportunity c) stand and full attack drawing an attack of opportunity. The 5' step is not available in difficult terrain.

Is it too Cheesy to allow both to affect a target, or do you think that the development team intended them to be used together? Keep in mind you are at least 15th level by the time you can take Defensive sweep.

I'd allow it.
Now you just have to convince your DM to allow it.
Oh wait...

 

[Nail]

Fair enough. I hate it when the rules say something in one place but neglect to state it in another, levaing an apparent contradiction.

You ain't jus' whistlin' Dixie, brother......

 

[Machiavelli]

Where and what is the "Stand Still" feat? I am intrigued.

 

[Legildur]

Where and what is the "Stand Still" feat? I am intrigued.

It's one of the Psionic Handbook feats available in the SRD. Try the following link:

Stand Still