Pimp my lich

[Particle_Man]

Y'know just for fun you could do a Sorceror Lich and go Xykon on their asses.

Or Wu Jen Lich, or Beguiller Lich. A Warlock Lich would be easier to run, but significanly less powerful.

A Bard Lich would be weird.

 

[Runestar]

On a somewhat unrelated sidenote, a storm giant sorc20 would be cr24 thanks to the non-associated rules. Throw in practiced spellcaster and he manages caster lv 24, same as a sorc24 or wiz24...

Exactly what sort of cr range are we looking at for this lich?

 

[Bungus]

Another idea - since the LICH is immune to poison and disease..what about stocking the lich's lair with yellow mold and every other kind of toxic subtance which the players will be forced to step on, breathe etc....

Thanks - good idea. Maybe even some poisonous zombies. The players think they're just mostly harmless zombies, then bam, then start making poison saves.

 

[Bungus]

Y'know just for fun you could do a Sorceror Lich and go Xykon on their asses.

Or Wu Jen Lich, or Beguiller Lich. A Warlock Lich would be easier to run, but significanly less powerful.

A Bard Lich would be weird.

xykon?

and, I think I'll stick with some sort of wizard or wizard/cleric.

 

[Bungus]

An illusionist lich can be very annoying. We fought one once in 1st ed. and I am *still* not certain that we really killed it and really destroyed its phylactery.

And how can one not love Project Image as a way to draw some Novas out of the way?

Standard procedure for my players is that they put up True Seeing in any sort of threatening situation, since they've run into illusions before. So, a projected image would be seen through pretty quick. Though, the skill trick idea from above was an interesting way around it by making the party think the lich cast Mislead instead.

 

[Bungus]

On a somewhat unrelated sidenote, a storm giant sorc20 would be cr24 thanks to the non-associated rules. Throw in practiced spellcaster and he manages caster lv 24, same as a sorc24 or wiz24...

Exactly what sort of cr range are we looking at for this lich?

24 might be too high - I was thinking a level 19-20 wizard with the lich template, making it CR21 or CR22. It's a large level 18 party.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Another idea - since the LICH is immune to poison and disease..what about stocking the lich's lair with yellow mold and every other kind of toxic subtance which the players will be forced to step on, breathe etc....

Brutally brilliant!

I could even see it letting itself become a "carrier" of a lethal mold or 2, adding to its fearsomeness.

Player: "Why does that lich look like its wearing a puffy patchwork yellow, brown and green sweater ?"

DM: "Bad tailor, perhaps? Heh, heh, heh..."

Or Wu Jen Lich, or Beguiller Lich. A Warlock Lich would be easier to run, but significanly less powerful.

A Bard Lich would be weird.

Alternative builds can be quite dismaying to the party...

I did one that was a SpecWiz Necro/Shaman (OA) who, among other things, relied more heavily upon touch-attack spells...which he delivered with his Unarmed Strikes. This meant that those it struck had to deal with 1) the spell effect, 2) the unarmed strike damage (boosted by 1d8+5 by the Lich's negative energy channeling), and 3) the lich's Paralyzing Touch.

(And had I coupled all that with wearing mold as suggested above...)

A BttlSorc or WarMage Lich could also be a bit of a rude surprise, standing there in its magical Mithril Plate (having taken the Battle Caster feat). They may even think its a Deathknight...

I can't say I've ever done a Bard Lich, but I have done a Bard Vampire. I know, kind of cliche.

 

[Particle_Man]

xykon?

A hilarious Big Bad Evil Guy from the webcomic "Order of the Stick", which I highly recommend.

 

[Bungus]

Brutally brilliant!

I could even see it letting itself become a "carrier" of a lethal mold or 2, adding to its fearsomeness.

Player: "Why does that lich look like its wearing a puffy patchwork yellow, brown and green sweater ?"

DM: "Bad tailor, perhaps? Heh, heh, heh..."

Or, "He's dead guys, what does he care about fashion?"

Barbarian PC: "I charge & attempt to grapple the lich!"

Me: "Roll me some Fort saves..."

Of course, at level 18, most of them will make DC:15 Fort saves in their sleep.

 

[Bungus]

A hilarious Big Bad Evil Guy from the webcomic "Order of the Stick", which I highly recommend.

Thanks - I've read a few of them, but not too many. Just never remember to save the link.