Pirating RPGs. (And were not talking "arggg" pirate stuff here.)

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No one can guarantee anything, but I do believe it is fairly easy to illustrate that people will pay for a product or service even if they do not have to.

Ever seen this thread: http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=106049 ?
It appears that an awful lot of people donated money to EN World . . . to the tune of over $13,000. I don't know if everyone that donated got something out of it, but I'm sure many people would have donated without getting anything in return.

Ever noticed some EN World users have something other than Registered User under their user name? Many of them got that by becoming community supporters. They essentially gave money to EN World that they didn't have to. Sure, they can change their user name title and they can use the search function, but they didn't get any real concrete value out of this donation. They did it because they wanted to see EN World stick around and felt that they could part with a bit of cash to make that happen.

I think people would do the same thing to ensure the publication of quality RPG material. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned the Ransom Model (which I think kicks a$$) . . . demand a certain level of donations before publishing material. That would do it. I still believe that some people would pay a voluntary "fee" for use of a good product. I know I would and have in the past (for shareware software).

A thought about this matter - voluntary payments *really* scare modern corporations. You're pretty much destroying the underpinnings of a consumer society, that being you need to keep buying stuff. Economics is always about ways to deal with scarcity, and with modern information distribution methods, scarcity doesn't exist. Economic models start failing when that happens, so you have to introduce scarcity into the system (copyrights, copy protections, etc.) to have your economic theory work.
Possibly more important, alternative economic systems (i.e. the ransom model) have an inherent upper limit to their profits. Once the ransom is paid, the product becomes free information - there is no chance of breakout hits that make a lot more money than anyone thought they would. You start cutting heavily into the profit margins of a company when that sort of thing becomes commonplace, so you're going to see the record and movie industries fighting this sort of paradigm change tooth and nail. That being said, is cutting into the profit margins of these types of activities a bad thing?

Another problem with that sort of paradigm is that it requires an existing market and user base for it to work - someone has to already want your work before the ransom would be paid. Not sure if the rpg market is large enough to support that sort of thing.
 

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I would like some assistance in understanding how it is that a non-free roleplaying product in digital format is purely 'information', as opposed to being 'a product'. Or am I mistaken in thinking that anyone has made such a claim?
 

Aus_Snow said:
I would like some assistance in understanding how it is that a non-free roleplaying product in digital format is purely 'information', as opposed to being 'a product'. Or am I mistaken in thinking that anyone has made such a claim?
The claim.
 

Rodrigo Istalindir said:
Interesting short thread from DTRPG's board. They don't want to go back to DRM either.

(I also sent them a message while I was there about their cert.)

This is not a hijack attempt, but need to say the following...

I think it would be nice to read that but no can do... I surf without cookies and javascript if site doesn't work without them it is not meant for me. DTRPG apparently needs cookie or something or else it throws one to logout window which doesn't load because no cookies or something and it goes for logout window which doesn't load... well I think you get the picture.

If I want to use a site that need cookie (buy something etc) I'll enable them then. But I won't enable them for seing the site. After they gave up DRM I was thinking about using site, but... Not to mention that I do not use IE;)

Surprisingly I do not have spyware on my computer even I check it with different spy&adware software and virus checkers a couple of times a month.
 

Ah, there it is. Thanks. I was kind of in a hurry at the time.


So, is a printed book just 'information' too? Just need that cleared up, first.


And how would a full-time writer (for example) make a living, if this belief system were to become dominant in the world?
 

Psionicist said:
* A pirated computer game is BETTER than the legal game you buy in the store. I don't have to swap CD's, and I don't have to put the DVD in the drive to play the game.

My PC's CD player is broken, so I use no-CD cracks to be able to play my (legally purchased) games on it. I wonder if people think this is immoral?

BTW I think calling free distribution of a text "piracy" is a silly use of language. Arr me hearties... I feel sorry for Eden though, but I think if they'd sold their text at $5 or so they'd most likely have sold a lot more. A note on the .pdf "if you have acquired this without paying, please send us $5" would probably also have helped.
 

Aus_Snow said:
And how would a full-time writer (for example) make a living, if this belief system were to become dominant in the world?

Most full-time writers don't make a living. A few do, but this is a recent phenomenon, and not one that has any inherent right to exist IMO. If you want to write, you can write. Doesn't mean the world owes you a living.
 

Jacen said:
This is not a hijack attempt, but need to say the following...

I think it would be nice to read that but no can do... I surf without cookies and javascript if site doesn't work without them it is not meant for me. DTRPG apparently needs cookie or something or else it throws one to logout window which doesn't load because no cookies or something and it goes for logout window which doesn't load... well I think you get the picture.

If I want to use a site that need cookie (buy something etc) I'll enable them then. But I won't enable them for seing the site. After they gave up DRM I was thinking about using site, but... Not to mention that I do not use IE;)
If that direct link in Rodrigo's post doesn't work, click on the DriveThru logo on that logoff site. This leads you to the front page. Anyway, here are the posts Rodrigo referred to:


LLoyd: "Could we please have more DRM PDF files? When I pay good money for a book I don't want some stupid watermark on each page. I want the book to look perfect. For some books I'm even willing to take the file to a print shop and have it printed on heavier (i.e. higher quality) stock and get it bound. I like paper and if this is the only way to get an out of print book, then so be it.

I'm not willing to pay money to print a watermark. DRM works fine for me. I can't see one complaint about DRM on the forums, so it's a bit difficult for me to be sympathetic with people who want watermarks."


Administrator: "Hi Lloyd,

I understand your concerns, but truthfully there are a LOT of people who really hated DRM. Our sales have gone up tremendously since we started moving over to the watermarking structure. There have been a number of DRM complaints on our own forums, but most such complaints were on other forums from potential customers who refused to buy from us due to the DRM protection. So the best advice I could give you would be to get the DRM products you want before they get switched over to the watermark system. Unfortunately, there's not else we can do for you at this point."



This simply shows that people don't like DRM and, more importantly, don't buy files secured with DRM.
 

S'mon said:
Most full-time writers don't make a living. A few do, but this is a recent phenomenon, and not one that has any inherent right to exist IMO. If you want to write, you can write. Doesn't mean the world owes you a living.
Some do though, as you say.

And to say that I disagree with your opinion regarding this phenomenon is certainly an understatement. For someone to pour time, care and effort into a written work is, to me, just as valuable (in every sense) a contribution as anything else.


So let me see... do you agree with any of the following?

If you want to make cars, you can make cars. Doesn't mean the world owes you a living.
If you want to heal the sick and injured, you can do so. Doesn't mean the world owes you a living.


Oh anyway, you get the idea, I'm sure. What are your thoughts on this?
 

PJ-Mason said:
Well, if you have porch sellers in your area who live off of you're business, it'll help. If you have porch sellers in your area who don't give a damn about you or you're business, it won't help. ;)

I assume Shining Dragon meant Porsches, rather than porches. Of course, I could be wrong.


glass.
 

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