Pirating RPGs. (And were not talking "arggg" pirate stuff here.)

[Jonny Nexus]

I did ignore the difference between information and intellectual property. I believe intellectual property is a false construct of the modern age that will vanish in the future. Many great thinkers and artists existed long before intellectual property laws existed and we still had great music, poetry, literature and scientific discoveries (Mozart, Shakespeare, Isaac Newton, Plato, Socrates, etc.). The fact that someone can own a thought, idea or series of musical notes arranged a certain way is offensive to me, but that's the world we live in.

If I kept a diary, and said that it was *my* diary, and that I didn't want anyone else to read it - would you find that offensive?

 

[S'mon]

If I kept a diary, and said that it was *my* diary, and that I didn't want anyone else to read it - would you find that offensive?

I'd say you have a right to privacy, to prevent other people reading your diary, which does not depend on monopoly ownership of the information in the diary. If you publish your diary on the Internet but then tell other people they can't eg link to your diary page or quote bits from your diary, I'd find that offensive.

 

[JBowtie]

Yeah. It's probably time for this thread to be closed before it gets out of hand.

Sorry, my post was meant to be informative, not overtly political. Apologies if I offended anyone.

 

[S'mon]

Sorry, my post was meant to be informative, not overtly political. Apologies if I offended anyone.

I don't think anyone would say your post was political, but my response (death penalty for copyright infringement = a bad thing) could presumably be considered political. I'm not going to withdraw that opinion though.

 

[Thanee]

There's only one way to stop piracy (apart from a world domination scheme maybe)... give away your stuff for free. As soon as you put a price tag on it, regardless how small it is, piracy (the modern one without ships, which is actually called copyright infringement) will happen.

I like printed books better, anyways.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

I'm not going to withdraw that opinion though.

That's fine, but one should also respect the rules put up on this site.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Michael Morris]

Keep it civil everyone. Some folks need to please dial down the rhetoric and namecalling a few notches.

 

[BryonD]

I think my post miscommunicated my intent.

I meant to say something along the lines of:

Arguing semantics and offering fallicious justifications all are used to distract from the argument at hand - that copyright infringement (if I may use the correct term) is illegal. Already this thread seems to be heading downhill, especially with Brent_Nall's post above (I see in it declarations that no property is being lost, that information should be free, piracy is not theft, something that is illegal can also be not wrong.... all the hallmark's of someone justifying to themselves their criminal behaviour - not that Brent_Nall is doing so himself, but he is using the same arguments of one who is).

Any thread that discusses piracy or copyright infringement always seems to spiral down this path (IMHO).

Copyright Laws exist to ensure the creator of the information makes a reasonable income from it. If they didn't exist then we wouldn't get such things as Firefly, Vampire: The Masquerade, Unisystem, etc.

Fair enough.
I agree.

 

[Plane Sailing]

And lets not steer into political waters again either, me hearties. Arrrrr?

 

[S'mon]

Plane Sailing, would you say that any discussion of the rights & wrongs of copyright law (or any law, really) was inherently political? It rather seems that way to me, although I suppose you could say that about any contentious issue really. "If you don't do politics, there's not much you do do", those get-out-the-vote ads said before the 2005 UK election. You once closed a thread because I discussed John Keegan's theories re military history & culture with reference to in-game cultures. On the broadest interpretation isn't everything political?