Incenjucar
Legend
Nisarg said:It isn't slander, it is a logical conclusion of your line of thought. I've explained it at least twice on this thread already but for your benefit i will do so again.
You seem to have an issue with the difference between 'logical result' and 'intent'. You can argue one, certainly, you cannot argue the other unless you, sir, are a fricking psion. Whatever would happen if WotC did one of the options desired by those PSers I base my arguments on, we have no interest or intention for it to be detrimental to anyone else. We are not quite as sadistic as that, for the most part.
It is UNNESCESSARY for any PS fan to have to explicitly demand that PS be brought back at the expense of the current setting, because it is implicitly AN INEVITABLE CONSEQUENCE that if PS was brought back it would be at the expense of the current setting.
No, the only thing this would do is mean that WotC puts out two series of books, which would dilute sales since people would have a choice, and generally prefer to have one or the other, and not both. WotC chooses to have half and half, and hope that it produces better sales than one or the other. Understanding this, PSers, as I have mentioned, wouldn't really mind if WotC just left PS the heck alone, instead of picking at it like some child who hated the parsley floating in her soup.
Do you understand?
To say "sure we want PS to become the "default" setting but that doesn't mean we want to force it on anyone or make them stop producing the other planes stuff" is an absurdity, it is like saying "sure we want the Yes side to win the referendum, but we don't want the No side to lose". It really doesn't matter whether you want it or not, "berk", if you win, all the non-PS fans lose.
You do realize that, for the most part, Planescape INCLUDES everything in D&D? Are you suggesting that nobody will be able to take the planar information and just skip on Sigil and the 'extra' elemental planes, and, depending how things were done, just keep to the DMG's version how things work? The reason PSers aren't happy about 3e's version is because it drastically alters the composition of the planes (for instance, only Greyhawk is connected to the Great Ring cosmology anymore), and that, by using Sigil and things introduced by PS, it's got Planescape stuff ANYWAYS.
Guess what, Planescape Homestyle IS the default version. We would prefer it if they made something for pre-PS and PS fans alike, that was largely seperate, rather than some sad mish-mash.
You can't have both.
We never said our hopes were realistic, now did we?
To want PS to be "the" planar line (and there is no other way for Wotc to do it: Wizards cannot afford to have TWO planar lines), is to DE FACTO want PS to be the ONLY planar line.
Are you suggesting that, by wishing peace on earth, I want every living thing to be dead? That's the only way it would actually happen in the real world. I wish a bunch of early-twenties Asian hotties with IQs above 150 would come streaming in to the room to drag me off to live on an island with them, so does that mean that I want a bunch of cute girls to be kidnapped at gun point and forced to do so, considering that's the only way such a lovely thing could ever happen?
Do you get that now?
I don't need to show you any website with a PS fan talking about how much he wants to take away the current Planar setting from its fans, the mere fact that he wants PS to be the official WoTC setting, or published at all, is enough to mean that DE FACTO that is what he wants to see happening.
Right. Blow up the world for world peace. Gotcha.
Some people here on Enworld had proposed that Wizards could just make a single one-shot hardcover, or give PS to a third party. Wizards can't really afford to do either:
1. Doing a one-shot would lead to unimaginable confusion among the fans. Fans will be wondering why all of a sudden there are all these elements in the planes that weren't in the previous books, and they'll be wondering why these aren't in the future books. You'll essentially be creating two canons that serves no purpose other than to placate a tiny group of hardcore fanboys.
UNIMAGINABLE confusion? How stupid do you think the average 3er is? I realize humanity is sadly lacking in brains, but anyone who can type can figure out "Lady of Pain Symbol=Planescape Product" and "No LoP Symbol=Not Planescape Product". And here I thought I had a low opinion of humanity.
Tiny? Where are your numbers? If you aint got the stats, shove it back up where you pulled it out from. There's obviously enough PS fans for them to put Planescape material -all over 3e-. Want me to start counting the things that came from PS, and only PS? Let me count the planetouched...
2. Contracting out the license would be even worse because then you'd have someone directly competing with Wizards for what is very close to the same setting. Currently other companies do Planar books but none of them are allowed to use sigil, the great wheel, etc etc. If Wizards contracted it out, then they'd have another company directly using the same setting in competition with Wizard's own books. The only reason Wizards might want to do this is if they were to stop making books on the Planes altogether, which would bring us back to the DE FACTO exclusion of all non-PS fans.
Nisarg
Again, PS fans would be quite happy if WotC just left PS alone. But they won't. They keep saying they don't want it, but always come crawling back for more. As it is, the only confusion that's occuring is when people see so much contradictory information between 2e and 3e that could have been avoided with a teeny tiny itsy bitsy bit of sense and/or research, or, possibly, a lack of malice. But, alas, this is from the same group of designers who let a personal issue with PASTRIES get in the way of a monster entry.