Play Nice

[Ruthia]

this thread started out as a plea to end black listing. now it has become a thread aboyt groups of black listers and they are trading names of others to black list. this is how rumors start. I'd rather not see it get as bad as black market black listers otting the overthrow of ISRP by staging a sit-in in the tavern. 100's of people sitting in the tavern, not talking.
so lets no add anything further to this in the way of expanding this person who black listed one man. there may be others, there may not be, so far all that's happened is this one person has become a group, and now a group influencing others. let's not make it a cult or a black listing religion.

You know. I was going to reply to this in a big long winded speech but I relized it's not worth it. Your taking a simple thread that was made to get a point across and turning it into a witch hunt. Congradulations, you just proved to me why I've been getting sick of ISRP lately.......

 

[Sienna_Rose]

this thread started out as a plea to end black listing. now it has become a thread aboyt groups of black listers and they are trading names of others to black list. this is how rumors start. I'd rather not see it get as bad as black market black listers otting the overthrow of ISRP by staging a sit-in in the tavern. 100's of people sitting in the tavern, not talking.
so lets no add anything further to this in the way of expanding this person who black listed one man. there may be others, there may not be, so far all that's happened is this one person has become a group, and now a group influencing others. let's not make it a cult or a black listing religion.

Umm - I see no names being mentioned except for people discussing their *own* characters.(or responding to the posts wherein those characters were mentioned). And noone's been pulling a witch - hunt type attitude, either. We're discussing our opinions of what could be a concern. 1. Blacklisting - if it happens - can drive away new players and make existing players uncomfortable. 2. Sometimes 'ignoring' isn't necessarily what it seems to be.
It's all been relatively calm, and noone's suggested any sort of sit in or anything.
Though, if there is a sit-in, I hope there's no singing. I can't sing.

 

[Venisad]

Witch hunt? I think not!

Yes Shasf has been sitting alone in the cage.. personally I thought it would be more popular with how much support is was getting.. And It usually fits in more there than in the tavern.. Although a robe with eyes can fit in most anywhere.

Forgive me, but I haven't read over all the posts after my previous one, so I will do so as soon as I have more time so I can respond in better manner.

I was using my own character as an example, sorry if I sounded a little heated (or too heated), in my comment. But I have noticed others ignoring or not recognizing other characters, besides my example, it just doesn't really settle well.

Though even if it might be out of character for some, for my character calling others "flesh bags" it usually grabs their attention and makes for a somewhat interesting conversation starter in its own little way.

So, I guess until I read over some posts, this has been my two cents or three?

 

[Imreis]

ok wow, this has gotten blown way way out of proportion from my original intent. all this was is me as a player sick and tired of all this childish play of people restricting others from there little games so they can feel better about themselves and how they play. personally, this was never about myself, never about not getting enough attention. this was about people in general, literally banning another person from there sight like some phantom so easily dismissed. like there not worth living...and seriously people, just because you dont like the character becuase there rude, overpowered, or even just stupid it doesnt give you the right to pretend they dont exist because thats above and beyond. theres a differnce between not playing with them when you see them and literally strickening them from your sight. *sighs and huffs* alright.....no more angery words. im done with this thread i supose.....i see many people who understand atleast what i was talking about and have hopefully influence others to atleast take this into consiteration. no more pleas, no more calm words, just read and consiter is all i ask of any of you as fellow human beings. take heart and try to re-rationalize your actions.

 

[Alana]

this thread started out as a plea to end black listing. now it has become a thread aboyt groups of black listers and they are trading names of others to black list. this is how rumors start. I'd rather not see it get as bad as black market black listers otting the overthrow of ISRP by staging a sit-in in the tavern. 100's of people sitting in the tavern, not talking.
so lets no add anything further to this in the way of expanding this person who black listed one man. there may be others, there may not be, so far all that's happened is this one person has become a group, and now a group influencing others. let's not make it a cult or a black listing religion.

I do believe you've missed the point of this thread- I'm still trying to figure out what you've been reading. Essentially, the main point is that if there's a group of people out there pulling the 'If you're friends (RP) with them, you can't be friends (RP) with me' attitude like a bunch of deluded 5 year olds that don't play well with others, then they're missing out on a good group of people, and heaven forbid, add a bit of diversity to their RP circle. But hey, if you really want to do that, and continue to act like petulant children, then those that are truly worthwhile to RP with really won't miss you all that much.

Editted to add, do you honestly think anyone here will take someone who uses an anonymous name, and who doesn't have the gumption to use a name recognizable to the rest of the RP community, as a viable opinion? Think on that one for a while.

 

[Alek]

100's of people sitting in the tavern, not talking.

as opposed to the dozen or so we regularly have doing just that

 

[Ruthia]

as opposed to the dozen or so we regularly have doing just that

Cute Alek....Cute

 

[Magi_Trelian]

Okay, peoples, chill.

I think people are misreading "Misc User" as much as s/he's misread others.

If I parse it correctly, s/he is saying that the discussion seems to be expanding from talking about individual decisions not to play with others ("you all can have your games of ignoring others", "we all need to stop this stupidity of blacklisting players") to some discussion as if it were an organized behind-the-scenes activity ("any of you out there that are part of a group of freinds doing this to other players", "But, to create a list, and spread that around?") and that this is becoming paranoia ("black-listing religion" I suspect was meant as a religion against black-listers).

I do know it happens, but I believe there's little if any organization to it. Someone doesn't like another player's style or has an argument over a particular action and stops playing with them or any other recognized char of theirs. Human nature and we can't change that. Someone who starts bad-mouthing that player to others and telling others to stay away from them? That's harassment and against the CoC if it happens on site.

If you are consistently avoiding playing with others, consider if this is the right site for you. There are other roleplaying sites on the web in many different flavours. Otherwise, lighten up. If you can't find anyone worth playing with, maybe you need to lower your standards. Sometimes it's as simple as coming up with a new char that has more reasons to interact with others.

If you're looking at if from the other side, if it's one of your chars getting ignored, then you have choices. Don't be afraid to examine the char and see if there are IC reasons for being ignored, or your own style of play to see if there are OOC reasons. What looks like a good storyline hook to you, might look like a "KEEP AWAY" sign to others. What seems like great RPing to you, might seem like random foolishness or uptight overrealism or maudlin sentimentality to others. But if you've done that examination, and you like your char and style just as is, then go for it! Play as you like and find others that enjoy it too and don't let the "black-listers" get to you.

I do like the point that others may not be playing with you simply because they're too busy playing elsewhere. This can be OOC reasons or IC reasons. And some people don't like having new PCs added into their storylines, some do. You might try PMing a group that seems fully engaged in long-term plotting to find out if there's an opening. But don't assume that the ones ignoring you are doing it from vicious reasons when it might be simple logistics.

 

[Misc User]

Okay, peoples, chill.

I think people are misreading "Misc User" as much as s/he's misread others.

If I parse it correctly, s/he is saying that the discussion seems to be expanding from talking about individual decisions not to play with others ("you all can have your games of ignoring others", "we all need to stop this stupidity of blacklisting players") to some discussion as if it were an organized behind-the-scenes activity ("any of you out there that are part of a group of freinds doing this to other players", "But, to create a list, and spread that around?") and that this is becoming paranoia ("black-listing religion" I suspect was meant as a religion against black-listers).

thank you.

now, for those who think it's cowardly to post anonymously, it's just been proved why I did it. Some people read what they want to, disregard the rest then blow it out of proportion. Why would I want to be attacked for that? I can't defend against an attack about something I didn't say. If Trelian didn't restate the subject of my message I'd have to be doing it until I'm blue in the face. because, when I did post with a character name I've had to do just that. So thank you again for being a respected independent view who rephrased my point, Trelian. It is much appreciated.

 

[Tharivious]

Well, to play devil's advocate, there are instances where so-called 'blacklisting' is justifiable, such as prolonged harassment by certain players - not characters, players - that just isn't dealt with because most of the evidence/OOC confrontation occurs strictly off-site and is outside of the jurisdiction of the moderators. Most instances of what I would call blacklisting that I've seen have been a result of specifically that; continuous, unwanted interference in various scenarios after asking nicely that they step back a few yards. Usually, this is centered on a player rather than a character, though it can often start with a single character and snowball to absurd proportions.

I'll even unapologetically admit to being guilty of that sort of 'blacklisting' on a handful of occasions through the last four or five years (gah, has it really been that long?). Most either ended in a state where both sides can at least be civil when bumping into each other in a public venue (such as message boards) or with the other side drifting away never to be heard from again (to my knowledge, at least). I've only had one such case result in a 'hostile' manner, that effectively resulted in the so-called blacklisting remaining in place.

Obviously, this isn't always the case, but often enough that sort of motivation does play a part, whether it was merely a perceived case of harassment, or a legitimate ongoing problem. But still, there are usually reasons behind these sorts of actions beyond "He's too powerful" or "That's poor roleplaying"

Following through on playing devil's advocate, though:

Essentially, the main point is that if there's a group of people out there pulling the 'If you're friends (RP) with them, you can't be friends (RP) with me' attitude like a bunch of deluded 5 year olds that don't play well with others, then they're missing out on a good group of people, and heaven forbid, add a bit of diversity to their RP circle. But hey, if you really want to do that, and continue to act like petulant children, then those that are truly worthwhile to RP with really won't miss you all that much.

Would you also consider it childish to, say, ignore someone saying hello to you if you had just been slapped in the face by that same person the night before? What about after a week? By the same token, if you had just been slapped in the face without reason, would you or would you not warn your friends to be careful around the person that had slapped you?

Or perhaps, if you had a mutual friend in common with the person that slapped you without provocation: Would you say that you wouldn't feel comfortable hanging around with your friend if they were spending time with the one who slapped you? Would that still be childish? I think not, it's cautious, which is natural when you get slapped in the face.

Now, none of this is to say that there aren't people who choose to blacklist others on shallow, trivial grounds. Certainly, those people exist, and should probably consider their own actions more carefully to be sure that the slight that drew the ire truly warranted that reaction, but there are also those who valid reasons, and have every right to hold their ground. Lumping all 'blacklisting' in with the childish, trivial sort is just as dangerous as the blacklisting that actually is childish and trivial.

Now, to more pleasant words. Eh?

Tharivious'll back me up on this, off site I've had minor clashes with other players over OOC issues but they're behind me (and them) and we all just get along but that does not colour my IC perspective on things.

Indeed. And quite the clashes those were (assuming you mean the one I'm thinking of... the Hivemind is out of practice). Not that you're alone, mind you, I'm a veteran of OOC clashes that turn themselves right again, many of which started on the OOC General message boards all those years ago.

Ahh, youth and impetuousness.

Most often, such things can even result in friendships being formed. You never know, having an OOC conflict can sometimes bring a cool and interesting person into your circle of friends, not the best way to win friends and influence people, of course, but it can happen.

ok wow, this has gotten blown way way out of proportion from my original intent.

That happens a lot 'round these boards when you try to make a point. Believe me.