Playable character without magic items: possible ?

[irdeggman]

Nope.



Then you're misreading my post. I explicitly say that he can choose not to take his share, but he cannot allow the others to take it in his stead.

How that is handled in game is a case-specific issue- he could even go so far as to strike away a partymember's hand that reaches for what he chooses to leave behind.

I read the following:

2) allowed to abandon or even destroy his share, assuming that he doesn't allow the other PCs to take it.

as an option on his part to "allow" them to take it.

I didn't see a need to reproduce the specific list in its entirety, but it amounts to only what he needs for sustinence. The rest is merely details.

Again this is not accurate (and the FAQ has pointed out that "if it isn't on the list then he can't have it" - for example divine foci and spell books)

He is allowed only the food he can carry "for a single day". frankthedm provided the "exact list in his past from the text". WotC has repeatedly (both Sage/FAQ and Rules of the Game) pointed out that this list is "all inclusive" and not merely for color.

Running an asectic is supposed to be a "challenge" and not for all gamers/games. One of the things that aggravates me most, is playing with those who take the VoP only to "get the goodies" but don't understand the role-playing ramifications. IMO that is why a lot of people think it is "overpowered", because they don't bother with the details and ignore the deeper meaning of the vow.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I read the following:

Quote:

2) allowed to abandon or even destroy his share, assuming that he doesn't allow the other PCs to take it.

as an option on his part to "allow" them to take it.

Therein lies your misreading of my intent. To rephrase and hopefully clarify: He can destroy his share, and may even abandon it, but if he abandons it, he cannot allow it to be taken up by his compatriots.

Again this is not accurate <snip>

Accuracy is immaterial in this case.

The text is available to anyone to read if they have the book, and the list of what is and isn't allowed per the Feat adds nothing to the discussion at hand. If the OP wants to use the VoP, then familiarization with that text would be required, but I didn't need to reproduce it here. My phrase was sufficient to the task.

(and the FAQ has pointed out that "if it isn't on the list then he can't have it" - for example divine foci and spell books)

I agree that playing the VoP is meant to be a challenge, but as I've pointed out in other threads, regardless of the FAQ's ruling, using the VoP RAW to exclude divine foci (and, to a much lesser extent, the spellbooks) violates the internal logic of the relationship between the ascetic and the being or force to whom he swears the vow.

If you want to continue discussing that, open a new thread.

 

[3catcircus]

Can't agree enough with Vow of Poverty. Played with a group that had a Clr9/Mnk4 (Ilmater) with VoP and this guy was a baddest-*ssed character I've ever seen, heard of or imagined. The DM needs to participate in this too and not toss DR 15/magic and good creatures at you constantly.

The only way I would allow VoP is to also require Vow of Nonviolence.