Players Handbook II

[Zappo]

You want more things? That's what the campaign settings are for!

I don't see why WotC should publish a new book, call it "player's handbook 2" (thus confusing players, because it sounds like a core book) and make it incompatible with the actual standard D&D too. Sounds like something TSR would do.

The splatbooks and setting books are already doing what you are asking for, and without generating so much confusion.

What I would like is a "D&D 3.1" - not to "add new stuff", but to fix the small and not so small bugs of the system.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I'd pay 40 bucks for it.

Honestly I'd pay 40 bucks a piece for revised versions of all three core books. As it stands, they are poorly written overall, unclear and/or vague on many issues, ugly (to me), hard to read because of poor layout, and full of errors. It's quite obvious that WOTC has done a infinitely better job with presenting the d20 system with more recent books like the SWRCRB, CoC, and WoT (though they are still bland and read like a college textbook)

As it is now, I use WoT for general rules reference because I cannot stand looking through the 3E PHB.

I hope it's not six years from 3E to 3E revised as it was with the 2E core books.

JeffB

I think the 3 core rule books are well made. Maybe the Layout could be a bit better, but if I compare this to ... hmm.. Shadowrun as an example, D&D as far better.
The rules seem very clear to me. Sometimes some rulings seem to be hard to be proven (Are Shields Armor? For what purpose? Stacking? Monk Abilities?), but most the time, the rules work very well.

Mustrum Ridcully

 

[Frostmarrow]

There is nothing wrong with the current classes. It's just that my group have played three campaigns into the teen levels and now it feels like we have tried everything. It dawned on me when the cleric player quit saturday night. I thought, maybe I should make a cleric to cover for him . However, I found it hard to get excited over yet another cleric. I've already played three so far as well as a fair share of the other classes. That's why I'd like a dozen new classes as well as loads of other new stuff.

The reason I'd prefer to get a new PHB rather than a UA is that it would save me the trouble of adding yet another book to my already all too heavy bag. That is, you should be able to use one or the other of the PHBs because it would present the same rules - only the flavor and fluff would be different. So if you wanted to play cleric you should bring PHB but if you played a... say ...priest you should bring PHB2. The same book only from a different perspective.

So I ask for more of the same - sue me.

The only Aussie beer I can get here is Foster's and that's not really Australian Australian if you know what I mean. However, I found a beer [down-under] that was called pi55. Aussies seem very honest to me.

http://www.pi55.com

 

[AGGEMAM]

On beer subject, oh I know it is not what you wanted discussed, but you brought it up yourself.

I'm very certain I saw Victoria Bitter at Systembolaget last time I was in Stockholm, that was in April, I am Newcastle Brown Ale drinker myself, but Vic's will do once in while.

 

[BlahBlah]

Have you tried Oriental Adventures? It has new classes, spells and stuff.

 

[Frostmarrow]

On beer subject, oh I know it is not what you wanted discussed, but you brought it up yourself.

I'm very certain I saw Victoria Bitter at Systembolaget last time I was in Stockholm, that was in April, I am Newcastle Brown Ale drinker myself, but Vic's will do once in while.

Different Systembolaget have a different selection I'm afraid. I could get it if I ordered it in advance but that sort of takes the fun out of beer. Danish beer on the other hand... mmm yummy!

To BlahBlah: I will look into OA.

 

[AGGEMAM]

Have you tried Oriental Adventures? It has new classes, spells and stuff.

I find oriental style of play very uninterresting, I have the book, but none of the material is usable in a decent campaign setting (from my point of view, of course).

 

[Crothian]

I'm unclear of all you want in this new book? Do you want all the rules/skills/feats/spells reprinted in it so you won't have to carry around the PHB and the class books? But you don't want the original races and classes, so you'd still have to carry around the PHB for them. You want the monsters that you can summon from the MM, I imagine you want stats for all familiars and Improved Familiars. So, you'd also need stats on all the differnt types of mounts for a Paladin type character and all the animals (reguliar, dire, and legendary) for the animal friendship spell. Then of course there will be the 20 new feats and 10 new prestige calsses (doesn't matter if you want them or not, they will be there). Plus a bunch of new core classes (that won't be original and will be able to easily be done through multi classing), and new races.

So, we're up to what 1000pages?

The great thing about d20 is you don't need all the books. If you find you're using a few pages out of one book, photo copy those pages. Get a three ringed binder and place all the photocopied pages in it. Of course, the best thing to do is game at the place with the most books. That;'s what we do. All I need is a PHB with me (and I only carry that so I have one I can refernece on my own, I could easily share someones). All the other books I need the DM has at his house for me to borrow and look through. No need to reprint anything, we have to much reprinted material already.

As for the new classes and races, try out Players guide to Kalamar or what ever it's called. It has some cool classes in it and a lot of PC related info.

 

[AGGEMAM]

Danish beer on the other hand... mmm yummy!

Hmm ... I live less than 100 meters from Carlsberg Breweries in Copenhagen, but you couldn't get me to drink that kind of pi55.

A danish beer I would suggest is Ceres Royal Export, though, it is strong (5.8 %), and totally oblivious to serving temperature, ie you can cold or not so cold, it doesn't get stale, and it doesn't have a long after-taste, so there is no beer-tired-ness.

Simply the perfect beer.

 

[Bonedagger]

I only have PHB, DMG, MotP and MM. I still haven't felt the need to buy Psyonic Handbook. I have already spend to much on material I don't need back in 2nd Ed. And since I'm the DM I decide what to use .

<Deleted> Ups... wrong board.