PF2 Playtest Four New Pathfinder 2E Classes

You can now download and playtest the investigator, oracle, swashbuckler, and witch classes, all slated for July's Advanced Player's Guide. The playlets runs for just under a month, until Dember 2nd, 2019.

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  • The investigator is a savvy, street-smart character who takes cases to uncover clues and solve mysteries. This class ties to parts of the game that aren’t covered in depth in the Core Rulebook, so the playtest will see if their approach to solving mysteries is satisfying, while keeping the rules for the game as a whole flexible.
  • The oracle commands divine powers by drawing from universal concepts, casting powerful revelation spells that take a toll on their body and manifest as a double-edged curse. We want to make sure the curse effects are fun and engaging without disrupting the balance of the class compared to other characters. For the playtest, we’ve selected only a subset of mysteries, but there will be more in the final version.
  • The swashbuckler is the flamboyant daredevil of the battlefield, tumbling through foes and entering a heightened state to deliver devastating finishing blows. We’ll be testing a system that encourages them to gain panache, a state of bombastic flair that lets them use more powerful abilities. The playtest version emphasizes new rules specific to the class so that we can playtest those thoroughly, but the final version might pick up some of the fighter’s weapon feats suited to dueling.
  • The witch serves a mysterious patron entity, casting spells and hexes learned through a powerful familiar. This is the most flexible spellcasting class we’ve introduced, since it allows you to build your own path by selecting not only feats, but also lessons from your patron. We want to make sure those options work well both narratively and mechanically across all three of the spellcasting traditions the witch can gain access to.
There's a survey which open on Tuesday, November 12th.
 
Russ Morrissey

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unknowable

Explorer
Yeah anyone saying it is like 5e doesn't know enough about either system to say that.

Also, how good is that swashbuckler, great mechanical cohesion.
 

teitan

Explorer
My guess is most people haven't even looked at PF2e......yet comment on it like they have.
this right here. They heard bad things about the play test and assume the play test is the final product as well. Someone said that they would never play it because of some rule in the play test that was cut in an early update. They kept insisting it was a rule even with various people owning the book said “no it’s not”. I can’t remember which one, affinity or something like that?
I almost didn’t buy it because it looked like so similar to 4e in presentation but as I read it I find it’s about as far from 4e as 3e was. I really, really like it. Maybe more than 5e.
 

Retreater

Adventurer
I kinda wish these weren't a thing. Like if they just allowed you to make a bard into an investigator with feat selections, or a oracle (cleric), swashbuckler (fighter), etc.
 

ikos

Villager
this right here. They heard bad things about the play test and assume the play test is the final product as well. Someone said that they would never play it because of some rule in the play test that was cut in an early update. They kept insisting it was a rule even with various people owning the book said “no it’s not”. I can’t remember which one, affinity or something like that?
I almost didn’t buy it because it looked like so similar to 4e in presentation but as I read it I find it’s about as far from 4e as 3e was. I really, really like it. Maybe more than 5e.
Yes, it’s a serviceable game. Although, in all fairness, the difference between the Playtest and final product was slight, something a casual gamer might never notice. The math was calibrated, the rough edges smoothed, and a few holes filled. While I don’t doubt some gamers made their minds up without so much as single die roll of play, the number of play testers and more current players who’ve now at least given it a test drive is not trivial. I’m not certain a conspiracy is afoot. Opinions then and now are genuinely mixed. It is a very good system that does not appeal to many PF1 fans for very reason those gamers so loved the 3x engine - the update is balanced and is not a min-max affair.
 

RSIxidor

Explorer
I know the core of the classes should come before the multiclassing feats but I'm really interested to know how the Oracle will work with other focus casting. if I'm reading it correctly, if you choose to multiclass into another class and get a focus spell from it somehow, you still have to use the increase of curse instead of focus pool/points.

I'm curious how they'll handle multiclassing into Oracle, such as whether it will include the revelation/curse system or not. Would it then cause you to lose focus pool you already had?
 

Kaodi

Adventurer
I think if I were making a swashbuckler I would do something like this:

female ancient elf sailor gymnast swashbuckler, chaotic neutral
str 16 dex 18 con 10 int 12 wis 10 cha 12
feats
ancestral - monk dedication, nimble elf (elven instincts, elf step)
background - underwater marauder
class - tumble behind (finishing follow-through, flamboyant athlete, attack of opportunity, vivacious bravado, derring-do, perfect finisher, mobile finisher, deadly grace, felicitous riposte, panache paragon)
skill - (titan wrestler)
skills
trained - acrobatics, athletics, crafting, deception, diplomacy, intimidation, performance, sailing lore, society, stealth, survival
 
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Zaukrie

Adventurer
It's not from a lack of trying. I can't find a group willing to try it. Everyone I know is "5e all the way" or "My brain only has space for PF1" (plus a smattering of outliers who just want to try anything that doesn't use a d20).
Heh, I'm having similar issues.....
 

DaveMage

Slumbering in Tsar
I'm one of those not playing PF2. I'm still playing PF1 (happily) and the play-test looked terrible to me. As indicated above, the presentation looked too much like 4E (even if it doesn't play that way). Big turn-off for me. (Plus, I really like PF1, so no need for me to switch since I have, you know, 100 years or so of 3.x/PF1 content to keep me busy. :) ) That said, I'll probably pick up the PF2 PDFs once they get to a new printing (and the errata is incorporated and typos fixed).
 

Kaodi

Adventurer
Actually... with Lizardfolk and Leshy ancestries now something I could whip up later would be a minimum Int Witch build that does not use any spells or abilities that are improved by your casting stat, similar to what I did with a couple goblin and half-elf wizard builds.

An occult Lizardfolk witch with like Str 16 Dex 16 Con 12 Int 10 Wis 14 Cha 10 could be interesting.
 

Kaodi

Adventurer
Actually just did the 1st level version:

female wetlander lizardfolk diobel pearl diver fate witch 1, neutral
str 16 dex 16 con 12 int 10 wis 14 cha 10
feats
ancestral - sharp fangs
background - underwater marauder
class - (enhanced familiar, second lesson/life, greater lesson/secrets, steady spellcasting, snicker, major lesson/renewal, lesson of focus, effortless cackle, patron wellspring, patron's truth)
skills
trained - athletics, occultism, ocean lore, stealth, survival
spells in familiar
0 - 10 detect magic, forbidding ward, guidance, know direction, light, mage hand, message, prestidigitation, read aura, shield
1 - bless, mage armour, magic missile, soothe, true strike
2 - augury*

Throw in a club and a sling for weapons and you are pretty much set.
 

Kaodi

Adventurer
I wonder how the All Witch Experience will compare to the All Wizard Experience. Strictly speaking Wizard probably offers a closer experience to some magical society portrayals, but Witch models stories where everyone's magic is "unique" in some way a bit better. Since they split the differences between a Wizard and a Sorcerer they may make for a less homogenous group yet still with the versatile spell lists factor.
 

Jharet

Explorer
A lot of us have followed the development since it was announced and easily identified the areas of change that make play unappealing. Then we look at bookshelves full of 3.5 and Pathfinder books and then ask why were supposed to invest in this all over again before we shrug and go back to our Pathfinder "First Edition" games as they are now called.

This second edition was designed for Paizo organized play members...as well as to sell books. It has no appeal to the people that were playing Pathfinder with it's many iterations from occult to mythic rules and doing just fine.

It's a game for Pathfinder Society. It was built according to what they like and what those players did not like.

I don't need a playtest because I already have superior versions of these classes in the Advanced Players Guide and Advanced Class Guide respectively.
 

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