Poisons for GOOD!

IMO, poisons should reflect Law vs. Choas rather than Good vs. Evil. It's not an honorable thing using poison, but that doesn't mean it's evil.

For example, if you need a bad guy taken alive, a rogue could use a sleep poison to knock him out, tie him up, and drag him back to the authorities for the reward.
 

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Witch Doctor said:
IMO, poisons should reflect Law vs. Choas rather than Good vs. Evil. It's not an honorable thing using poison, but that doesn't mean it's evil.

But in a system where stealing defined as evil, no separation or segregation of morality, ethics and honor is possible.

-Fletch!
 


Witch Doctor
IMO, poisons should reflect Law vs. Choas rather than Good vs. Evil. It's not an honorable thing using poison, but that doesn't mean it's evil.
I agree. Helps that Konstantin is a Chaotic character, yes?:)
mkletch
But in a system where stealing defined as evil, no separation or segregation of morality, ethics and honor is possible.
I totally agree. Regardless, let's get back to creative ways to employ poison.
Ghostwind
...Pale Designs: A Poisoner's Handbook...
Thanks bud! Does it go into methods of delivery (ie, poison-lacing scabbards, dust of inhaleable poison, etc) as well as providing a host of types of poison? Perhaps a Craft check DC as well?
 

What about one-use weapons? make a fagiles dagger and in the blade is a poison of some sort. Stab the target, blade breaks, posion goes into system. Also, very user-friendly and no chance to poison self.
 

Felix said:
Thanks bud! Does it go into methods of delivery (ie, poison-lacing scabbards, dust of inhaleable poison, etc) as well as providing a host of types of poison? Perhaps a Craft check DC as well?

There is a free download from Bastion called e-Designs that contains extra supplemental material we couldn't squeeze into the book (one section was written by everyone's favorite Nightfall) and a preview of some of the material in the book itself. Take a look at it and it will give you a better idea of what's all in the book than I can go into here. It's on the Pale Designs product page along with some review quotes or you can download it here.
 

IMCs, using poison is considered generally evil.

Basically, it's going out of your way to do harm to someone. It may not kill them outright but that doesn't make it right. There is a reason why bounty hunting is frowned upon, in general. Poison usage is not always evil, but there is a fine line. When I think of poison use, I don't think of jabbing someone with a poison dart and them just falling asleep or somesuch. More often then not, the person making the poison really doesn't care if it causes pain or any other kind of physical damage (twitching, spewing, bleeding, etc.).

And if someone takes ability damage, that is a direct statistical representation of that character's loss of function in some area. If I take DEX damage, that means I can't control my limbs (or some other part of my body). If I take STR damage, my muscles and bones are most likely wracked with pain or simply drained of strength; that can't feel good.

And as for the arguement (which has been used on me many times) of "well, I'm just going to kill him anyway it doesn't matter how" I say that's bunk. Intent to kill is different than an intent to maim, cause unneccessary pain, cause extra pain, or torture then kill. These are examples of gratuitous and cruel acts rather then just killing. Most goodly PC's only kill things that are evil or things that are trying to kill them. These are either acts of self-defense or defense of some kind. If PC's go about indiscriminately killing things, that is still wrong and is considered evil when I DM.

So unless someone specifically makes the poison so it is painless and meant to temporarily and safely (like for medical uses) incapacitate others, I consider it evil. It's not an evil act every time, but if a PC constantly uses poisons that he doesn't make, eventually there will be one that causes significant damage to an opponent, so that's his one chance to stop. One you see someone in obvious pain resulting from something that you have done that means that any subsequent actions are unforgivable because the character knows he is doing wrong...

EDIT: But as for using poison for good, the character would have to make certain he was doing as little harm or causing as little pain as possible. It is possible with a high enough skill in it. Doctors do it all the time. Of course they have access to much better technology.
 
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I've had this come into play more than once IMC.
Using poison is not evil, so to speak.

Using it as a cheap-kill method is.
It is dishonorable, as you are not warning a foe.
But, how bad is it for a Paladin to walk up to the evil necromancer and blow a handful of sleeping powder into thier face (kinda-like Serpent & the Rainbow) and then hauling him off?

I take it case by case, for the use of non-lethal poisons.
Lethal venoms, however, are not necessarily good, unless thier society does not contain a anti-poison ethos. If poison is somewhat holy (LG Snake worshippers) than the use of poison by a paladin of that snake god would be able to use it.

Case by case, campaign by campaign.
Only way to go.
 

Posted by a few people so far:
IMC, poison use is always considered evil.....
Posted by some other folks:
I think poison is not necessairly evil because....
Right on. I couldn't agree more with both of you.

But, could we look past the morality of it please? If this becomes a moral compass thread, I'll be disappointed. Let's just assume that I've talked with my DM, and it's all good. So, the question remains:

What are some neat-o ways to deliver poison to
A) enemies.
B) friends. (poison meaning drugs like advil. Healing poisons.)

In these kinds of situations:
A) combat.
B) non-combat.

Any ideas?

Witch Doctor: I dig it. Kinda like the one-use morphine needles combat medics carry around. Word. Although I don't know what a "fagiles dagger" is.;) :D
 

Bump

Sheesh! You take away the morality argument and see what happens? Straight to page two.

Here's one more go at the first page: Bump.
 

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