Poll - What was the cheesiest ... ?

[green slime]

2e psionics were the worst. Closely followed by some FR 2e specialty clerics.

Everything else was a measure of cheese I could live with as a DM.

I had no problems with 1e cavaliers, paladins, 1e psionics, 1e bards, 1e monks, even elven bladesingers.

 

[Inconsequenti-AL]

All this thread and no hat for 'Skills and Powers' and 'Spells and Magic' from 2nd ed... I'm suprised.

Like the others - Complete Book of Elves and 1-2ed Psionics.

 

[green slime]

Never used that stuff, Inconsequential-Al. We had our own thick ring-binder of house rules, to even think about glancing at a whole new method of creating characters.

 

[Particle_Man]

All this thread and no hat for 'Skills and Powers' and 'Spells and Magic' from 2nd ed... I'm suprised.

Like the others - Complete Book of Elves and 1-2ed Psionics.

I had blocked that from my mind. I remember a player trying to design a Priest from Spells and Magic that had few spheres (like wizard schools, priest spells were divided into spheres, and you could get a lot of character builder points by getting rid of most of the "Default" spheres of the priest...the character was left with Healing and one Wizard school (!) as a spheres), but had permanent True Seeing, and lots of fighterish buffs. Argh.

 

[jmucchiello]

Closely followed by some FR 2e specialty clerics.

Not all specialty clerics were bad. And even the bad ones were mitigated by the limitations on spells available.

I had no problems with 1e cavaliers.

Ugh, forgot all about them. They were the only class who could improve their ability scores without magic. How is that not cheese?

 

[jmucchiello]

All this thread and no hat for 'Skills and Powers' and 'Spells and Magic' from 2nd ed... I'm suprised.

Neither of those were as out there as the DM's Option: High Level Options
.

 

[the Jester]

Subabilities from Skills & Powers.
Paladins and cavaliers in 1e Unearthed Arcana.
Anything Items, also from UA1e.
Generic clerics in 2e, when the system allowed for specialized clerics of every god. (As an aside, I used homebrewed specialty priests exclusively from the very beginning of 2e, and I never had trouble balancing them- I threw in disadvantages or different xp tables if necessary.) I actually think 3e is a step backwards in this respect, but given the general balance issues most games had with this stuff, I can see why.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Something fairly new: Forsaker (MotW PrC) coupled with psionics.

 

[Pants]

Oh man... 2ed psionics was godawful. When we could figure out how it worked and what it did, it was pretty powerful.
Spell Power from 3e was pretty insane especially when combined with SF and GSF to make DC's go through the roof.