Polymorph any Object vs. Vampire

[coriolis]

Could a vampiric ogre mage druid (IOW a creature which has alternate shape, change shape and wild shape!) be subject to polymorph any object?

 

[DungeonMaester]

As a undead trait, Undead are immune to polymorph unless they ae willing

---Rusty

 

[Michael Silverbane]

As a undead trait, Undead are immune to polymorph unless they ae willing

That's not quite right.

Here's the trait that precludes an undead from baleful polymorph (not not polymorph any object)

Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless).

Since polymorph any object also works on objects, undead are not immune to it. Creatures that have abilities such as alternate form or wild shape are not immune to polymorph effects, but in some (all? I don't know) cases can use their ability to change to a more desirable form after they've been polymorphed.

Later
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[Jack Simth]

As a undead trait, Undead are immune to polymorph unless they ae willing

---Rusty

It's actually the Lich that's immune to polymorph, not undead in general.

Mind you, they are immune to anything that requires a fort save...

Unless it also affects objects, which Polymorph Any Object does.

 

[Sithobi1]

I think you're referring to the Shapechanger subtype, where you can take a Standard action to shift back to your normal form. Vampires don't have that subtype, but if they had the requisite intelligence after the change, could use their Alternate Form ability, with the new creature as the base.

 

[coriolis]

Mind you, they are immune to anything that requires a Fort save...

Unless it also affects objects, which Polymorph Any Object does.

Considering that most undead don't have an enormous Fortitude save, it makes this spell and disintegrate two of the must-have spells for wizards facing undead...

 

[Hypersmurf]

I think you're referring to the Shapechanger subtype, where you can take a Standard action to shift back to your normal form.

Of course, in most cases this is useless... because Polymorph replaces your type and subtypes with those of the new form.

"The subject’s creature type and subtype (if any) change to match the new form."

Let's say you have an unconscious Doppelganger - Monstrous Humanoid (Shapechanger) - and you cast Polymorph on him, turning him into a hobgoblin - Humanoid (Goblinoid). He no longer has the Monstrous Humanoid type or the Shapechanger subtype; instead he has the Humanoid type and Goblinoid subtype.

"A creature with the shapechanger subtype can revert to its natural form as a standard action"... but when the doppelganger wakes up, he discovers that he no longer has the shapechanger subtype!

His Change Shape (Su) ability will still work, but he won't be able to resume his natural form (since it's not a humanoid) until the Polymorph expires.

On the other hand, if we polymorphed a hobgoblin into a doppelganger, it would gain the Shapechanger subtype and could revert to its natural form - hobgoblin - as a standard action.

-Hyp.