D&D (2024) Lycanthropes in the MM

[Stormonu]

Getting back to the OP, I think lycanthropes should be specifically resistant to damage from anything but silvered weapons, and you should need a silvered weapon (or maybe the magical equivalent) to finish them off, just like you need fire or acid for a troll. It's such a part of the iconic lore that it feels weird that they are now just another mundane creature, for the most part.

I also hate that most creatures have lost their immunity to non-magical weapons; I would have gone the other way: keep the immunity to non-magical, and buff it to include resistance to magical.

I'm mostly of the same thought; you should need silver to take them out, and magic weapons just buy you some time. I do think that non-magical BPS resistance/immunity is far to common in base 5E, but I think they went too far the other direction. For example, I think you should be boned if you face a gargoyle without a magic weapon (and they should be resistant to earth/air magic on top of that), some fey should have vulnerability to cold iron - but I wouldn't give them any kind of resistance requiring magic weapons.

Too many times I think it was used as a crutch to keep hp bloat down on higher CR monsters. The better answer is just don't give the PCs so much firepower in the first place.

 

[occam]

Easy dude. Can I flurry a magic missile spell five times?

You can! Five missiles at 5th level, one below the level where a monk starts doing Force damage.

Are all flurry attacks automatically blocked by a simple first level spell like shield?

It's funny that you just brought up an example of making a class ability obsolete, in defense of not making a class abilities obsolete. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make anymore, or if you even know what point you're trying to make.

 

[wizard71]

You can! Five missiles at 5th level, one below the level where a monk starts doing Force damage.


It's funny that you just brought up an example of making a class ability obsolete, in defense of not making a class abilities obsolete. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make anymore, or if you even know what point you're trying to make.

Wow, nice try at that straw man! I can cast magic missile as a 5th level spell that will do average damage of 13 points vs flurry average damage of 42 if all my attacks hit. If only half of my flurries hit my damage drops to 17. 3rd level spells is 3/day at six level vs 18 disciple points used by a monk in the same time frame. No way the monk is underpowered compared to a magic missile spell.

My point with magic missile being countered by shield was its not an automatic I win button because it has several counters. There is no counter for monk’s generating force damage. It’s the absolute best damage type in the game. If they still dealt damage similar to a magic weapon I would have no problem with it but you weren’t looking for an honest discussion, just strawman arguments which is unfortunate.

 

[occam]

There is no counter for monk’s generating force damage. It’s the absolute best damage type in the game.

Then barbarians are in big trouble, and not just from monks. Witness:

You hurl a beam of crackling energy. Make a ranged spell attack against one creature or object in range. On a hit, the target takes 1d10 Force damage.

Available at level 1! Unlimited casting, no resource expenditure! Multiple attacks at higher levels, can be improved with invocations, AND it's ranged!

Or how about this:

A Club or Quarterstaff you are holding is imbued with nature’s power. For the duration, you can use your spellcasting ability instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of melee attacks using that weapon, and the weapon’s damage die becomes a d8. If the attack deals damage, it can be Force damage

Easily picked up by anyone at 1st level! Can be used with Extra Attack; heck, even a monk could use it!

You're so offended by monks doing Force damage at 6th level, when Force damage is already everywhere, available to anyone at 1st level. Are all of these abilities also offensive, because there is "no counter" to them, providing an "auto win button that cannot be countered at all", that "make another class’s main ability obsolete", and are thus "ridiculously overpowered"? Or is it possible that you overreacted to a 6th-level class feature?

 

[wizard71]

I think those options are garbage also. I am not ok with them because they are spellcaster powers. They need to rethink how they are affecting barbarian dr, the heavy armor dr feat and spells like stone skin. Force was the rarest of damage powers because it cut through almost anything. It should not be an at will power for martials who are NOT magical in nature.

 

[Remathilis]

I think those options are garbage also. I am not ok with them because they are spellcaster powers. They need to rethink how they are affecting barbarian dr, the heavy armor dr feat and spells like stone skin. Force was the rarest of damage powers because it cut through almost anything. It should not be an at will power for martials who are NOT magical in nature.

Laughs in soul knife. Psychic cuts though even the old, better version of bear rage.

 

[wizard71]

Laughs in soul knife. Psychic cuts though even the old, better version of bear rage.

Yep, great that WOTC broke their own balance rules. My Soul Knife player wasn’t laughing when many monsters curiously acquired psychic resistance.

 

[Remathilis]

Yep, great that WOTC broke their own balance rules. My Soul Knife player wasn’t laughing when many monsters curiously acquired psychic resistance.

How cute, you nerfed the players main reason to pick that subclass. I can safely ignore your concerns about class balance going further..

 

[wizard71]

How cute, you nerfed the players main reason to pick that subclass. I can safely ignore your concerns about class balance going further..

Oh so you only complain when it’s a nerf to the class that you like? Gotcha. Yeah your argument ms holds as much water as a leaking cup and I lend as much credence to your concerns also.

 

[Remathilis]

Oh so you only complain when it’s a nerf to the class that you like? Gotcha. Yeah your argument ms holds as much water as a leaking cup and I lend as much credence to your concerns also.

I don't even like soul knife (never played one). But I know the "DM thinks the core ability of X is broken, so he secretly screws his player by making it artificially less effective" type well enough to know your concern isn't about "balance."