Polymorph

[Thanee]

They overlap (i.e. damage is deducted from ALL False Life temporary hit points at the same time).

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

You know, if later changes can affect the duration of polymorph, then all PoAs would be permanent.

Why is that? The change is important, not the result. The change is from the base creature into the current creature (i.e. human to outsider).

Bye
Thanee

 

[Nail]

They overlap (i.e. damage is deducted from ALL False Life temporary hit points at the same time).

So if there are 3 False Lifes cast on you....the one with the most hp is the one you keep track of? (i.e, the order of casting is irrelevant, barring duration issues)

 

[Thanee]

Yeah. The strongest effect counts.

Same Effect More than Once in Different Strengths
In cases when two or more identical spells are operating in the same area or on the same target, but at different strengths, only the best one applies.

One could also read this as if the other spells would simply be negated, but I don't think that is what they meant. I would rather play it like the various energy resistance spells, that they overlap (which only really makes a difference with dispelling), as above.

Bye
Thanee

 

[jgsugden]

Folks, these rules were made by people. People make errors. You're committing folley if you think that every detail in the rules was intentional.

Polymorph Any Object: Being able to 'cycle around with permanent changes to make something that wasn't permanent into a permanent change clearly opposes the intent of the rules. Its up to your DM as to whether he wants to allow it.

Shillelegahelagaleagahelegahahelgah: The spell was intended to do something. Ergo, don't be a dufus. Let it do what was clearly intended.

 

[Nail]

Shillelegahelagaleagahelegahahelgah

so....if you can pronounce it, you can cast it?

 

[Thanee]

Hey, this is not SdL (where you actually have to correctly pronounce the non-trivial spell formulas from memory, if you don't want to suffer a spell failure)...

Bye
Thanee

 

[IcyCool]

Shillelegahelagaleagahelegahahelgah: The spell was intended to do something. Ergo, don't be a dufus. Let it do what was clearly intended.

I don't believe I was being a "dufus". I was merely pointing out that Thanee's assumption that a spell continually checked it's own validity would lead to ... interesting results.

DMMV

 

[Thanee]

Yep, but see the clarified version, where this is no longer an issue.

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Thanee

 

[Diirk]

Polymorph Any Object: Being able to 'cycle around with permanent changes to make something that wasn't permanent into a permanent change clearly opposes the intent of the rules. Its up to your DM as to whether he wants to allow it.

Oh, I agree, its quite clearly an error. However if you went strictly by the rules, it would work