Probably a really basic question...

[Jdvn1]

Wait a second ...

for the "+1 spellcasting class", absolutely. But for those that add entirely new spells (like holy liberator, iirc), those I don't think would.

I didn't get the impression Pazu was talking about that, though. As can be seen in that other thread, maybe we should just say, "In this other situation, ask your GM. Don't expect him to allow it (since less than 2% of people agree with that ruling)."

 

[Jdvn1]

The key here is "any prepared spell". Thus the ability is not limited to cleric spells. Theoretically, a Cleric1/Wizard19 could spontaneously cast 9th level Cure spells.

If you read that thread, some people make an argument against this. Basically saying, "No, that's out of context. That section refers to spells from the Cleric class. This other quote (I don't remember it off hand) says you have to keep each spell list separate."

It's not my argument, but it's a valid one. Refer to the thread for more depth.

 

[Eolin]

What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right. If the rest of ENWorld jumped into a dragon's lair, would you?

If they dived into the maw as their characters? Absolutely. That's like 3000 epic level clerics and sorcerers and fighters and drawfs in before me. That ought to show just about any dragon a thing or three.

 

[irdeggman]

Since Domain spells are "specifically" mentioned as not being substitutable then I see no reason why any non-cleric spell would be. That is, I agree with the 99 who say ony the cleric spells can be substituted.


It is specifically talking about a class (cleric) and not a character - so a cleric can substittue any prepared spell (except domain spells). . . .Note that if itwas a wizard spell then it is not "a cleric". Different spell lists and all.

Besides it makes more sense if it is striclty cleric spells and not any spell the character knows. Note the same thing works with druids and summon nature's ally spells.

On pg 180 of the PHB it expounds on this and talks about the divine energy of the spell being converted. Oops that eliminates all arcane spells since they have no divine energy - so it is not any (non-domain) spell the cleric has prepared - there are already conditions. . . .

From the SRD:

Spontaneous Casting of Cure and Inflict Spells: A good cleric (or a cleric of a good deity) can spontaneously cast a cure spell in place of a prepared spell of the same level or higher, but not in place of a domain spell. An evil cleric (or a cleric of an evil deity) can spontaneously cast an inflict spell in place of a prepared spell (one that is not a domain spell) of the same level or higher. Each neutral cleric of a neutral deity either spontaneously casts cure spells like a good cleric or inflict spells like an evil one, depending on which option the player chooses when creating the character. The divine energy of the spell that the cure or inflict spell substitutes for is converted into the cure or inflict spell as if that spell had been prepared all along

 

[Pazu]

I didn't get the impression Pazu was talking about that, though. As can be seen in that other thread, maybe we should just say, "In this other situation, ask your GM. Don't expect him to allow it (since less than 2% of people agree with that ruling)."

Well, I was just referring to the "+1 level of [whatever]" type of progressions. I didn't mean to start an argument...

For the record, I'd have to side with the "only cleric/druid spells can be converted" camp.

Thanks,
Pazu

 

[Jdvn1]

Well, I was just referring to the "+1 level of [whatever]" type of progressions. I didn't mean to start an argument...

For the record, I'd have to side with the "only cleric/druid spells can be converted" camp.

Thanks,
Pazu

Arguments are what this forum is about!

What normally happens is Person A asks a question. Person B answers it. Person C may correct person B or possibly clarify a bit more. A bit later, Person D comes in and says, "Well, watch out for this special cirumstance..." Person D is trying to further clarify and when you go too deep, tangents occur.

 

[Deadguy]

Arguments are what this forum is about!

No it's not!!



Sorry, couldn't resist!

 

[Pazu]

No it's not!!



Sorry, couldn't resist!

That's just contradiction.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

That's just contradiction.

No, it isn't!

 

[Jdvn1]

No, it isn't!

I vote option three.