Question about the Winterhaunt PrC

[Abraxas]

Just looking for other's thoughts on this. . .

Would the feat "Southern Magician" (Races of Faerun, pg 168 "Benefit: Once per day per two spellcaster levels, you can cast a divine spell as an arcane spell, or vice versa.") allow a wizard to meet the divine spellcasting requirement of the Winterhaunt of Iborighu PrC (Frostburn, pg 72 "Spells: Able to cast 1st-level divine spells")?

At first glance I am inclined to say yes.

 

[Gez]

I'd say yes.

Another question about the Winterhaunt.

Prerequisite for qualifying to become a Winterhaunt is "having crafted an iceheart."

Prerequisite for crafting an iceheart is "being an uldra or a winterhaunt of Iborighu."

So a non-Uldra who is not yet a Winterhaunt cannot create an iceheart. Thus the only way a non-uldra could be a winterhaunt is by having formerly been a winterhaunt, having crafted an iceheart then, then dying and being reincarnated as something else.

It gets even better! If you somehow succeeded in becoming a winterhaunt despite your nonuldraness, and the iceheart is destroyed, you then are an ex-winterhaunt, and you have to craft a new one. But you can't, since you're no longer a winterhaunt!

So the question is: do you think the "creator must be uldra or winterhaunt of Iborighu" requirement should be dropped?

 

[Saeviomagy]

I'd say yes.

Another question about the Winterhaunt.

Prerequisite for qualifying to become a Winterhaunt is "having crafted an iceheart."

Prerequisite for crafting an iceheart is "being an uldra or a winterhaunt of Iborighu."

So a non-Uldra who is not yet a Winterhaunt cannot create an iceheart. Thus the only way a non-uldra could be a winterhaunt is by having formerly been a winterhaunt, having crafted an iceheart then, then dying and being reincarnated as something else.

It gets even better! If you somehow succeeded in becoming a winterhaunt despite your nonuldraness, and the iceheart is destroyed, you then are an ex-winterhaunt, and you have to craft a new one. But you can't, since you're no longer a winterhaunt!

So the question is: do you think the "creator must be uldra or winterhaunt of Iborighu" requirement should be dropped?

No - you can co-create a winterheart with the help of an existing uldra or winterhaunt. They supply the "is an uldra/winterhaunt" and you supply the XP, spellcasting and craft feat.

Hell - you don't even need to supply anything beyond the spellcasting to qualify.

And the silly "you cease being a winterhaunt" thing doesn't happen - just because you don't currently have a winterheart doesn't mean that you didn't, at some point, craft one.

So - in short: You becom a winterhaunt by helping or being helped to produce a winterheart by an existing member of the cult.

Which really isn't that silly a requirement. Sounds quite like "you participate in a ritual conducted by a high-up".

 

[Gez]

It's a good interpretation, however one may argue about the "Creator must be" and "must have created" bits. It should have been better worded, if it was the intent.

 

[Uldra]

No - you can co-create a winterheart with the help of an existing uldra or winterhaunt. They supply the "is an uldra/winterhaunt" and you supply the XP, spellcasting and craft feat.

Hell - you don't even need to supply anything beyond the spellcasting to qualify.

And the silly "you cease being a winterhaunt" thing doesn't happen - just because you don't currently have a winterheart doesn't mean that you didn't, at some point, craft one.

So - in short: You becom a winterhaunt by helping or being helped to produce a winterheart by an existing member of the cult.

Which really isn't that silly a requirement. Sounds quite like "you participate in a ritual conducted by a high-up".

Why don't you stop fighting and make an uldra winterhaunt duh.

 

[Starbuck_II]

It's a good interpretation, however one may argue about the "Creator must be" and "must have created" bits. It should have been better worded, if it was the intent.

Then polymorph into one. You gain creature type while duration up so create it then.

 

[Jhaelen]

Then polymorph into one. You gain creature type while duration up so create it then.

Of course, you will have to be polymorphed the whole time. How long does creation take?

 

[Starbuck_II]

3rd option: become an uldra till you finished crafting it. Savage Species has a ritual to change race. After finished undo ritual.

4th: Candle of Invocation to wish for one (summon an efreeti).