question about true seeing

[parinho7]

does a swiftblade with blurred alacrity and evasive celerity has concealment against someone with true seeing cast on him?

 

[Dandu]

Blurred Alacrity (Ex): At 2nd level, your understanding of the haste spell makes you difficult to target with melee and ranged attacks. While under the effect of a haste spell that you cast yourself, you gain concealment (20% miss chance). This miss chance increases by +10% at 3rd, 4th, and 5th level. The effect of this ability does not stack with blur, displacement, or similar spell effects.

Blurred Alacrity is an illusory miss chance.

Evasive Celerity (Ex): At 5th level, your knowledge of the haste spell makes you difficult to target with spells. While under the effect of a haste spell that you cast yourself, individually targeted spells have a 20% chance of failing against you. This spell failure chance increases by +10% at 6th, 7th, and 8th level. The effect of this ability does not stack with blink or similar spell effects.

Evasive Celerity is a blinking effect.

True Seeing sess right through Blurred Alacrity. It would see partially through Evasive Celerity, since it is like blinking. The miss chance from Blink is reduced from 50% to 20% by someone who can see invisible things. Since you start off with 20% Evasive Celerity... hm. Interesting. You could say concealment is reduced to 2/5th, I suppose?

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

Just cut it in half until it tops out at 50%. Close enough, and less of a pain to deal with. If you wanted absolute perfect matching proportions, though...that would be...

20% --> 8%
30% --> 12%
40% --> 16%
50% --> 20%

 

[Corsair]

Blurred Alacrity is an illusory miss chance.

Evasive Celerity is a blinking effect.

True Seeing sess right through Blurred Alacrity. It would see partially through Evasive Celerity, since it is like blinking. The miss chance from Blink is reduced from 50% to 20% by someone who can see invisible things. Since you start off with 20% Evasive Celerity... hm. Interesting. You could say concealment is reduced to 2/5th, I suppose?

1) Nowhere does it say BA is an illusion. However, since True Seeing references "blur or displacement effects" separately from illusions, this isn't really an issue. TS will still beat it.

2) I disagree with you on EC. The only reason Blink has reduced miss chances is because it says so in the spell text. EC has no such text. Note that it also doesn't have the "your own spells might fail" text that Blink has also. There is no reason to impute the restrictions of one spell onto another ability just because it happens to be similar.

 

[Dandu]

That BA doesn't stack with other illusory miss chances makes me think it is some sort of illusion, since illusory miss chances are stated to not stack. (Blur is an illusion spell.)

Same with EC.

 

[Corsair]

That is a logical fallacy.

All A have the trait X.
All A have the trait Y.
B has the trait X.

Based on this information only, we cannot logically conclude that B has any other traits than X.

In our actual game text world, it is even simpler because any A or B only has the traits that a block of rules text specifically gives them.


In the case of BA, trait Y is whether it is illusion. In the case of EC, trait Y would be whether it has the same limitations as Blink.

 

[Dandu]

Argument from fallacy

"Argument from fallacy" describes what is also called Argument to Logic (Argumentum ad Logicam) or fallacy fallacy, is a logical fallacy which assumes that if an argument is fallacious its conclusion must be false.

 

[Dandu]

Now prepare to have your mind blown.

Evasive Alacrity and Blurred Celerity are not effects. They're class abilities.

If it is true that they are not Y, then let me take it to the logical conclusion.

Since True Seeing states that

You confer on the subject the ability to see all things as they actually are. The subject sees through normal and magical darkness, notices secret doors hidden by magic, sees the exact locations of creatures or objects under blur or displacement effects, sees invisible creatures or objects normally, sees through illusions, and sees the true form of polymorphed, changed, or transmuted things.

It only works on blur or displacement (or blink) effects. These are not defined as effects, therefore, we can conclude that True Seeing doesn't do anything at all.

 

[shadyizok]

Hmm, I'dd say that this falls under the catagory: can be read differently. Sort of like the freedom of movement argument concerning being dazed.

Just go to your DM, tell him that it can be interpretted both ways and ask him for a ruling. That's (partly) what he's for.

 

[pawsplay]

Now prepare to have your mind blown.

Evasive Alacrity and Blurred Celerity are not effects. They're class abilities.

Class abilities can have effects. Example: Lay on hands.