Question on a couple of feats from Compete Divine...

[RigaMortus]

I was going to write out the feats, but I don't think they are OGL. So I'll just name the feats and paraphrase. How does the Arcane Disciple feat and Spontaneuous Healer feat work together, if one chooses the Healing Domain (for Arcane Disciple).

Arcane Disciple allows you to pick a Cleric domain (as an arcane caster, such as a Wizard) and allows you to memorize a spell from that Domain. The catch is, you can only prepare a maximum of one of the domain spells per level. So, assuming you were a 3rd level Wizard, you could memorize Cure Light and Cure Moderate Wounds once each.

Now we apply the Spontaneous Healer feat which allows you to use your spell casting ability to spontaneously cast cure spells (from your class spell list) just as a Cleric can. You can do this a total number of times per day equal to your Wisdom modifier.

So since Cure spells are now on your class list (thanks to Arcane Disciple: Healing Domain), can you basically drop a Wizard spell you prepared and cast a Cure spell instead?

 

[Pax]

I'd say that was a very nicely creative use of two feats, and rule IMC that it'd work just fine - you could convert any number of spells to Cure spells (to the normal maximum specified in the Spontaneous Healer feat, ofc) by that means.

 

[Liquidsabre]

The catch is, you can only prepare a maximum of one of the domain spells per level. So, assuming you were a 3rd level Wizard, you could memorize Cure Light and Cure Moderate Wounds once each.

Correct, since this is the maximum number of these spells you could possibly cast, the same holds true when spontaneously casting these spells. So you could convert only one spell/level into a cure spell.

 

[Scharlata]

[...] cast cure spells (from your class spell list) [...]

Very nice

The PHB states on page 32, Deity, Domains, and Domain Spells ...

If a domain spell is not on the cleric spell list (page 183), a cleric can prepare it only in his domain spell slot.

So, here we have (at least part of) the definition of "class spell list". The spell lists of a (divine) class and the domain spells are two separate things that work in conjunction.

A wizard usually neither has Cure Light Wounds nor Cure Moderate Wounds on his class spell list.

But as the benefit of the feat Arcane Disciple does constitute an expansion of his class spell list, unlike any cleric, the wizard doesn't cast the domain spells separately from his spells of his class spell list.

In combination with the feat Spontaneous Healer the wizard is now able to swap some of his arcane spells for Cure spells.

Chapeau!

 

[Krug]

Yeap but two feats to be able to cast Cure spells.. hmm...

 

[The Souljourner]

Correct, since this is the maximum number of these spells you could possibly cast, the same holds true when spontaneously casting these spells. So you could convert only one spell/level into a cure spell.

No no, the maximum is on the number you can prepare, not cast. Big difference. It happens to *usually* restrict you to casting one per level per day, but that's a side effect. The only true restriction is that you may only prepare one per level day. Spontaneous casting doesn't require you to prepare a spell, so it isn't restricted by the one per level per day. However, given that you can only do as many as your wisdom modifier, and wizards generally don't have a high wisdom, I don't see a balance problem.

-The Souljourner

 

[Elephant]

I was going to write out the feats, but I don't think they are OGL. So I'll just name the feats and paraphrase. How does the Arcane Disciple feat and Spontaneuous Healer feat work together, if one chooses the Healing Domain (for Arcane Disciple).

Arcane Disciple allows you to pick a Cleric domain (as an arcane caster, such as a Wizard) and allows you to memorize a spell from that Domain. The catch is, you can only prepare a maximum of one of the domain spells per level. So, assuming you were a 3rd level Wizard, you could memorize Cure Light and Cure Moderate Wounds once each.

Now we apply the Spontaneous Healer feat which allows you to use your spell casting ability to spontaneously cast cure spells (from your class spell list) just as a Cleric can. You can do this a total number of times per day equal to your Wisdom modifier.

So since Cure spells are now on your class list (thanks to Arcane Disciple: Healing Domain), can you basically drop a Wizard spell you prepared and cast a Cure spell instead?

I think the feat you're looking for is Domain Spontaneity, not Spontaneous Healer. DS allows you to cast domain spells spontaneously, just as a cleric can cast Cure/Inflict spells or a druid can cast Summon Nature's Ally spontaneously.

 

[RigaMortus]

Basically, I can memorize Cure Light once per day as per Arcance Discipline. Then I can also swap out any other prepared spell I have with Cure Light, a number of times equal to my Wis mod.

I just think it's a neat way to allow Wizards to cast Cure spells. Plus it might help them qualify for feats and PrCs they normally wouldn't be able to.

Just a side question, but the Cure Light Wounds spell would be considered an arcane spell when the Wizard casts it, right?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Just a side question, but the Cure Light Wounds spell would be considered an arcane spell when the Wizard casts it, right?

Absolutely.

-Hyp.

 

[Liquidsabre]

No no, the maximum is on the number you can prepare, not cast. Big difference. It happens to *usually* restrict you to casting one per level per day, but that's a side effect. The only true restriction is that you may only prepare one per level day. Spontaneous casting doesn't require you to prepare a spell, so it isn't restricted by the one per level per day.

This would be true except for the feat's text:

"Each day you prepare (or cast, if you cast spells without preparation) a maximum of one of these domain spells of each level."